On 2/26/2013 1:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

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How did number arise? We don't know that, but we can show that if we don't assume them,or equivalent (basically anything Turing Universal), then we cannot derive them.

`I'm not sure how you mean that? We know that we experience individual objects and so we`

`can count them by putting them in one-to-one relation with fingers or notches or marks.`

`So what are you calling an "assumption" in this?`

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