On 3/1/2013 3:38 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 1, 2013 4:32:54 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 3/1/2013 12:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 1, 2013 3:33:03 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 3/1/2013 12:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
It doesn't matter how many knee-jerk twitches you put together or in
order, they are still always going to be empty, mindless mechanisms.
Repeated assertions aren't evidence.
It's interesting because my assertion is rooted in the same understanding,
are applying a double standard. I say that repeated mechanical assertions
anything other than that. You say that they aren't evidence...but how do
For one thing because you contradict them yourself. You just posted, in
Bruno, "I don't know that all machines cannot think" Then you turn around
assert,"they are always going to be empty mindless mechanisms."
It's not a contradiction, it's an assertion that as far as we know they are always going
to be empty mindless mechanisms. I don't know that to be the case for all possible
machines executed in all possible ways... a fusion of biological and inorganic material
could strike a thinking balance
You keep overlooking that atoms are not 'organic', yet a fusion of them forms
- the point though is to understand that the principle of mechanism (which is functions
of forms) is the perpendicular axis from sensitivity to those forms and functions.
The point to understand it that calling mechanism and sensitivity "perpendicular axes" is
just something you made up.
This is what I keep trying to say - things which have a lot of consciousness are the
least possible things to control externally. By definition, the more robotic something
is, the less alive it is, and that is not trivial or coincidental. If you understand why
that symmetry is meaningful,
That's not a symmetry - you shouldn't use big words if you don't know what they
then you will have no problem being confident
Yes, I noticed that ignorance begets confidence.
that although life uses mechanisms, it is not, in itself a mechanism at all. It's not
just the boundary between living and non-living (which I would not rule out being more
of an anthropic or biopic boundary), but all qualitative boundaries, between physics and
chemistry, biology and zoology, anthropology and psychology, etc may not have purely
Qualitative is what you haven't been able to quantify yet. At one time "many" and "big"
were just qualities.
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