On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 4:19:31 PM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: > > The machine is informed. >
Trivially, yes, but information is all about multiple levels. My mailbox could be informed when it receives mail - but that's just a figure of speech. No machine is ever literally or richly informed - notified maybe. Signalled. Triggered. Sure. To be 'In' formed though suggests that something cares about receiving this experience and intends to make use of it out of a personal agenda. You don't have to want to be informed, but you have to be able to want to. > Acceptance demonstrates the act of becoming > > informed. The yield of such acceptance is called meaning. > > > > Easily, trivially, this language can be applied to machine and organism > without > > concomitant observation of the slightest distinction between them. > Only if you rule out subjectivity from the start. Sure, if you treat an organism like a body, then there is no meaningful distinction between that and a machine - but bodies aren't informed, they are form, perform, conform, etc but there is no place for an experience in a body. > > > The definition of a being has nothing to do (imposes no causal > consequence) > > with a sign. Signs can be accepted by organisms and machines > (non-organisms?) > > with equal dexterity to provide equal meaning. A community of machines > (like > > Robbie the Robot) can equally define meaning to things as can a community > of > > beings. That you claim need to impose human interpretation in order to > obtain > > meaning is strictly the bailiwick of anthropomorphism. > Meaning may not work that way. If I'm right, meaning is anchored to a direct line of descent from the beginning of time. While Robbie the Robot can be programmed to act like we think we act, it has nothing to do with meaning, sign, or significance. The robotic process does not decode a sign, it simply encodes it into other signs which it has been instructed to. If there is a creature around to appreciate that conversion, it is because they decode it into a meaningful experience that informs them. Without the creature there - the natural decoder of those particular signs, there is no informing at all and Robbie the Robot will go on talking to himself forever on a barren planet, unaware of anything except for voltage and temperature. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.