Dear MarkCC.
Thank you for paying attention on my crackpottery article.
I like your comment.
Very like.
==.
You say:
Create a universe with no matter, a universe with different kinds
 of matter, a universe with 300 forces instead of the four that
 we see - and e and π won't change.
=..
Now Euler's equation plays a role in quantum theory.
In quantum theory there isn't constant firm quant particle.
The Pi says  that a point-particle or string-particle cannot  be
 a quant particle. The Pi says that that quant particle
 can be a circle and it cannot be a perfect circle.
If e and π  belong to quant particle then these numbers
can mutually change.
Doesn't it mean that Pi ( a circle ) can be changed into sphere?
Doesn't Euler's equation    cosx + isinx in = e^ix can explain
this transformation / fluctuation of quant particle ?
You say:
What things like e and π, and their relationship via Euler's equation
tell us is that there's a fundamental relationship between numbers
and shapes on a two-dimensional plane which does not and cannot
really exist in the world we live in.
=.

But this 'a fundamental relationship between numbers and
 shapes on a two-dimensional plane' can really exist
 in two-dimensional vacuum.

All the best.
socratus.

==.....


On Mar 5, 9:57 pm, "socra...@bezeqint.net" <socra...@bezeqint.net>
wrote:
> Euler's Equation Crackpottery
> Feb 18 2013 Published by MarkCC under Bad Math, Bad Physics
>
> One of my twitter followers sent me an interesting piece of
> crackpottery.
>  I debated whether to do anything with it. The thing about
> crackpottery
>  is that it really needs to have some content.
> Total incoherence isn't amusing. This bit is, frankly, right on the
> line.
> ==.
> Euler's Equation and the Reality of Nature.
> a) Euler's Equation as a mathematical reality.
> Euler's identity is "the gold standard for mathematical beauty'.
> Euler's identity is "the most famous formula in all mathematics".
> ' . . . this equation is the mathematical analogue of Leonardo
> da Vinci's Mona Lisa painting or Michelangelo's statue of David'
> 'It is God's equation', 'our jewel ', ' It is a mathematical icon'.
> . . . . etc.
> b) Euler's Equation as a physical reality.
> "it is absolutely paradoxical; we cannot understand it,
> and we don't know what it means, . . . . .'
> ' Euler's Equation reaches down into the very depths of existence'
> ' Is Euler's Equation about fundamental matters?'
> 'It would be nice to understand Euler's Identity as a physical process
> using physics.'
> ' Is it possible to unite Euler's Identity with physics, quantum
> physics ?'
> My aim is to understand the reality of nature.
> Can Euler's equation explain me something about reality?
> To give the answer to this. question I need to bind Euler's equation
>  with an object - particle. Can it be math- point or string- particle
> or triangle-particle? No, Euler's formula has quantity (pi) which
> says me that the particle must be only a circle .
> Now I want to understand the behavior of circle - particle and
>  therefore I need to use spatial relativity and quantum theories.
>  These two theories say me that the reason of circle - particle's
> movement is its own inner impulse (h) or (h*=h/2pi).
> a) Using its own inner impulse (h) circle - particle moves
>  ( as a wheel) in a straight line with constant speed c = 1.
>  We call such particle - 'photon'.
> From Earth - gravity point of view this speed is maximally
> . From Vacuum point of view this speed is minimally.
>  In this movement quantum of light behave as a corpuscular (no
> charge).
> b) Using its own inner impulse / intrinsic angular momentum
> ( h* = h / 2pi ) circle - particle rotates around its axis.
>  In such movement particle has charge, produce electric waves
>  ( waves property of particle) and its speed ( frequency) is : c.
> 1. We call such particle - ' electron' and its energy is: E=h*f.
> In this way I can understand the reality of nature.
> ==.
> Best wishes.
> Israel Sadovnik Socratus.
>
> ==.
> Euler's equation says that . It's an amazingly profound equation.
> The way that it draws together fundamental concepts is beautiful
> and surprising.
> But it's not nearly as mysterious as our loonie-toon makes it out to
> be.
> The natural logarithm-base is deeply embedded in the structure of
> numbers, and we've known that, and we've known how it works
>  for a long time.
> What Euler did was show the relationship between e and the
>  fundamental rotation group of the complex numbers.
>  There are a couple of ways of restating the definition of that
>  make the meaning of that relationship clearer.
> For example:
>
> That's an alternative definition of what e is. If we use that, and we
>  plug  into it, we get:
>
> If you work out that limit, it's -1. Also, if you take values of N,
>  and plot , , , and , ... on the complex plane, as N gets larger,
>  the resulting curve gets closer and closer to a semicircle.
> An equivalent way of seeing it is that exponents of  are rotations
>  in the complex number plane. The reason that  is because if you take
>  the complex number (1 + 0i), and rotate it by  radians, you get -1: .
> That's what Euler's equation means.
>  It's amazing and beautiful, but it's not all that difficult to
> understand.
> It's not mysterious in the sense that our crackpot friend thinks it
> is.
> But what really sets me off is the idea that it must have some
> meaning in physics. That's silly.
> It doesn't matter what the physical laws of the universe are:
> the values of  and e will not change.
>  It's like trying to say that there must be something special about
> our universe that makes 1 + 1 = 2 - or, conversely, that the fact
> that
> 1+1=2 means something special about the universe we live in
> . These things are facts of numbers, which are independent
> of physical reality. Create a universe with different values for all
> of the fundamental constants - e and π will be exactly the same.
>  Create a universe with less matter - e and π will still be the same.
> Create a universe with no matter, a universe with different kinds
>  of matter, a universe with 300 forces instead of the four that
>  we see - and e and π won't change.
> What things like e and π, and their relationship via Euler's equation
>  tell us is that there's a fundamental relationship between numbers
> and shapes on a two-dimensional plane which does not and cannot
>  really exist in the world we live in.
> Beyond that, what he's saying is utter rubbish.
>  For example:
> These two theories say  me that the reason of circle - particle's
>  movement is its own inner impulse (h) or (h*=h/2pi).
> Using its own inner impulse (h) circle - particle moves ( as a wheel)
> in a straight line with constant speed c = 1.
>  We call such particle - 'photon'.
> From Earth - gravity point of view this speed is maximally.
> From Vacuum point of view this speed is minimally.
>  In this movement quantum of light behave as a corpuscular (no
> charge).
>
> This is utterly meaningless.
>  It's a jumble of words that pretends to be meaningful and
> mathematical,
> when in fact it's just a string of syllables strung together
> nonsensical ways.
> There's a lot that we know about how photons behave.
>  There's also a lot that we don't know about photons.
> This word salad tells us exactly nothing about photons.
>  In the classic phrase, it's not even wrong: what it says doesn't have
>  enough meaning to be wrong. What is the "inner impulse"
>  of a photon according to this crackpot?
> We can't know: the term isn't defined.
> We are pretty certain that a photon is not a wheel rolling along.
> Is that what the crank is saying? We can't be sure.
>  And that's the problem with this kind of crankery.
> As I always say: the very worst math is no math.
> This is a perfect example.
> He starts with a beautiful mathematical fact.
>  He uses it to jump to a completely non-mathematical conclusion.
> But he writes a couple of mathematical symbols,
>  to pretend that he's using 
> math.http://scientopia.org/blogs/goodmath/2013/02/18/eulers-equation-crack...
>
> ==.
>
> On Feb 14, 8:48 am, "socra...@bezeqint.net" <socra...@bezeqint.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >      Euler's Equation and the Reality of Nature.
> > =.
> > Mr. Dexter Sinister  wrote:
> > ' I understand Euler's Identity,
> > and I know what it means, and I know how to prove it,
> > there's nothing particularly mystical about it,
> > it just demonstrates that exponential, trigonometric,
> > and complex functions are related.
> >  Given what we know of mathematics it shouldn't surprise
> >  anyone that its various bits are connected.
> >  It would be much more surprising if they weren't, that would
> >  almost certainly mean something was badly wrong somewhere.'
>
> >     Mr. Gary wrote:
> > Mathematics is NOT science.
> >  Science is knowledge of the REAL world.
> > Mathematics is an invention of the mind.
> >  Many aspects of mathematics have found application
> >  in the real world, but there is no guarantee.
> > Any correlation must meet the ultimate test:
> > does it explain something about the real world?
> > As an electrical engineer I used the generalized
> > Euler's equation all the time in circuit analysis:
>
> > exp(j*theta) = cos(theta) + j*sin(theta).
>
> > So it works at that particular level in electricity.
> > Does it work at other levels, too?
> > Logic cannot prove it.
> > It must be determined by experiment, not by philosophizing.
> > ====..
> > Thinking about theirs posts I wrote brief article:
> >        Euler's Equation and Reality.
> > =.
> > a)
> >  Euler's Equation as a mathematical reality.
> > Euler's identity is "the gold standard for mathematical beauty'.
> > Euler's identity is "the most famous formula in all mathematics".
> > ' . . . this equation is the mathematical analogue of  Leonardo
> > da Vinci's Mona Lisa painting or Michelangelo's statue of David'
> > 'It  is God's equation.', ' It is a mathematical icon.'
> >  . . . .  etc.
> > b)
> > Euler's Equation as a physical reality.
> > "it is absolutely paradoxical; we cannot understand it,
> >  and we don't know what it means, .  . . . .'
> > ' Euler's Equation reaches down into the very depths of existence'
> > ' Is Euler's Equation about fundamental matters?'
> > 'It would be nice to understand Euler's Identity as a physical process
> >  using physics.'
> > ' Is it possible to unite Euler's Identity with physics, quantum
> > physics ?'
> > ==.
> > My aim is to understand the reality of nature.
> > Can Euler's equation explain me something about reality?
> > To give the answer to this question I need to bind
> > Euler's equation with an object - particle.
> > Can it  be math- point or string- particle or triangle-particle?
> > No, Euler's formula has quantity (pi) which says me that
> > the particle must be only a circle .
> > Now I want to understand the behavior of circle - particle and
> > therefore I need to use spatial relativity and quantum theories.
> > These two theories say me that the reason of circle - particle's
> >  movement  is its own inner impulse (h) or  (h*=h/2pi).
> > a)
> >  Using  its own inner impulse (h) circle - particle moves
> > ( as a wheel) in a straight line with constant speed c = 1.
> >  We call such particle - 'photon'.
> > From Earth - gravity point of view this speed is maximally.
> > From
>
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>
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