On Friday, March 8, 2013, Stephen P. King wrote:

>  On 3/7/2013 8:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:59:50 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: By the
>> definition I gave above a stone does not choose to roll down the hill
>> because it does not consider each option in order to decide which one to do.
> Why doesn't it choose when and which direction to roll? A deterministic
> universe means that there is no such thing as 'considering each option' -
> there are no options, only things happening because they must happen. They
> have no choice, there is no choice, the lack of choice is the defining
> feature of a deterministic world. You are saying that this is the world
> that we live in and that we are the stone, except that for some reason we
> have this delusional interactive narrative in which we could not stand
> being still any longer and decided to push ourselves down the hill.
> Hi,
>     From my studies of the math of classical determinism, the subsequent
> 'behavior' of the stone follows strictly in a one-to-one and onto fashion
> from the prior state of the stone. There are no 'multiple choices' of the
> stone, thus no room at all for "choice". Thankfully we know that classical
> determinism is a delusion that some, for their own reasons, cling to.

Yes, we know that classical determinism is wrong, but it is not logically
inconsistent with consciousness. It is also not logically inconsistent with
choice and free will,  unless you define these terms as inconsistent with
determinism, in which case in a deterministic world we would have to create
new words meaning pseudo-choice and pseudo-free will to avoid
misunderstanding, and then go about our business as usual with this minor
change to the language.

Stathis Papaioannou

Stathis Papaioannou

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