On Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:37:35 PM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: > > A machine can accept sign and yield alteration of > > its configuration (add to its parts, delete from its > > parts but most of all alter the complexity of its > > parts and their arrangement) such that the machine > > develops its ability to: > > > > 1. accept sign – one yield you did not consider >
What does this mean in terms of the buckets? > 2. increase the complexity of constructs – another > > yield you did not consider > Again, complexity is our value, not the machine's. The bucket brigade doesn't know it the patterns form the Gettysburg Address or just all half gull. > 3. acquire Turing competence from incompetence – a > > third yield you did not consider > We don't need to consider any of the yields which are sought by the user of the machine, only those which yield something to the machine itself - which I don't think it any. To the machine, it make no difference whether it is running the same meaningless exercise for 10,000 years or if it is communicating with an alien civilization for the first time. It doesn't care whether it is running or not. Craig > > > wrb > > > > *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> [mailto: > everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>] *On Behalf Of *Craig Weinberg > *Sent:* Thursday, March 07, 2013 8:33 AM > *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > *Subject:* Re: Messages Aren't Made of Information > > > > > > On Thursday, March 7, 2013 1:39:25 AM UTC-5, William R. Buckley wrote: > > I have before claimed that the computer is > a good example of the power of semiosis. > > It is simple enough to see that the mere > construction of a Turing machine confers > upon that machine the ability to recognise > all computations; to generate the yield of > such computations. > > In this sense, a program (the source code) > is a sequence of signs that upon acceptance > brings the machine to generate some > corresponding yield; a computation. > > Also, the intention of an entity behind sign > origination has nothing whatsoever to do with > the acceptability of that sign by some other > entity, much less the meaning there taken for > the sign. > > The meaning of a sign is always centered upon > the acceptor of that sign. > > > I agree but I don't think the machine can accept any sign. It can copy > them and perform scripted transformations on them, but ultimately there is > no yield at all. The Turing machine does not no that it has yielded a > result of a computation, and more than a bucket of water knows when it is > being emptied. In fact, you could make a Turing machine out of nothing but > buckets of water on pulleys and it would literally be some pattern of > filled buckets which is supposed to be meaningful as a sign or yield to the > 'machine' (collection of buckets? water molecules? convection currents? > general buckety-watery-movingness?) > > Craig > > > > > wrb > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
