On 08/03/2013, at 2:58 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>     I must disagree. It is baked into the topology of classical mechanics 
>> that a system cannot semantically act upon itself. There is no way to define 
>> intentionality in classical physics. This is what Bruno proves with his 
>> argument.
> 
> Exactly Stephen. What are we talking about here? How is a deterministic 
> system that has preferences and makes choices and considers options different 
> from free will. If something can have a private preference which cannot be 
> determined from the outside, then it is determined privately, i.e. the will 
> of the private determiner. 

As I said, it depends on how you define "free will".

>>> It is also not logically inconsistent with choice and free will,  unless 
>>> you define these terms as inconsistent with determinism, in which case in a 
>>> deterministic world we would have to create new words meaning pseudo-choice 
>>> and pseudo-free will to avoid misunderstanding, and then go about our 
>>> business as usual with this minor change to the language.
>> 
>>     So you say...
> 
> Yeah, right. Why would a deterministic world need words having anything to do 
> with choice or free will? At what part of a computer program is something 
> like a choice made? Every position on the logic tree is connected to every 
> other by unambiguous prior cause or intentionally generated (pseudo) 
> randomness. It makes no choices, has no preferences, just follows a sequence 
> of instructions.

In general, the existence of words for something does not mean it has an actual 
referent; consider "fairy" or "God". An adequate response to your position is 
that you're right - we don't really have choices. Another response is that your 
definition of "choice" is not the only possible one.

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