On 08/03/2013, at 2:58 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I must disagree. It is baked into the topology of classical mechanics
>> that a system cannot semantically act upon itself. There is no way to define
>> intentionality in classical physics. This is what Bruno proves with his
> Exactly Stephen. What are we talking about here? How is a deterministic
> system that has preferences and makes choices and considers options different
> from free will. If something can have a private preference which cannot be
> determined from the outside, then it is determined privately, i.e. the will
> of the private determiner.
As I said, it depends on how you define "free will".
>>> It is also not logically inconsistent with choice and free will, unless
>>> you define these terms as inconsistent with determinism, in which case in a
>>> deterministic world we would have to create new words meaning pseudo-choice
>>> and pseudo-free will to avoid misunderstanding, and then go about our
>>> business as usual with this minor change to the language.
>> So you say...
> Yeah, right. Why would a deterministic world need words having anything to do
> with choice or free will? At what part of a computer program is something
> like a choice made? Every position on the logic tree is connected to every
> other by unambiguous prior cause or intentionally generated (pseudo)
> randomness. It makes no choices, has no preferences, just follows a sequence
> of instructions.
In general, the existence of words for something does not mean it has an actual
referent; consider "fairy" or "God". An adequate response to your position is
that you're right - we don't really have choices. Another response is that your
definition of "choice" is not the only possible one.
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