They don't. By definition, everything that actually happens in the universe is part of the laws of physics. > That would mean it is impossible to have > voluntary control of one's actions independently of physics. No, it means that physics must support voluntary control of one's actions. > Now you > are saying the opposite. > Nope. The problem is that you assume that we know a lot about physics already. I think that we have an extremely, laughably primitive understanding of physics at this point in history. We may be too stupid and arrogant to figure that out though. We like to think that the universe which we experience is the actual universe when it suits our expectations, but we decide that it must be nothing like our experience of the universe when it suits other expectations. We are clueless and clueless of how clueless we are. Craig > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.