On Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:41:05 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com <javascript:>>wrote:
> > a deterministic universe always begins with a miracle that is never 
>> allowed to happen again.
> There is no reason to think that a deterministic universe universe had to 
> have a beginning, or a non-deterministic one either for that matter.

Then determinism, having no prior cause, violates determinism. How can it 
violate its own law and how can we be sure that it is the only thing that 
can ever violate it?


>   John K Clark 

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