On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:36:36 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
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> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Craig Weinberg 
> <whats...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
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>> >> There is no reason to think that a deterministic universe universe had 
>>> to have a beginning, or a non-deterministic one either for that matter.
>>>
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>> > Then determinism, having no prior cause, violates determinism. 
>>
>
> No, every state in the universe would have a cause determined by a 
> previous state of the universe, the fact there are a infinite number of 
> such states is irrelevant.
>

You are not including determinism itself as a state in the universe.

Craig
 

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>   John K Clark
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