On 3/13/2013 3:32 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:00:27 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/13/2013 3:51 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> The computer as a whole is
> >not a computer at all, it is an animal, a being. In reality, it only
> >like a computer on the lower levels because it is too distant from our
> >personal experience to relate to personally.
At last Craig admits that a computer can be conscious - but only by not
really being a
computer at some magic level where it becomes an animal.
No, you misunderstand. Stathis used computer as a metaphor here for a person, saying
that if any part of the person acts like a machine then every part of the person ant the
person as a whole must be a machine. I was correcting him saying that in fact a person
is an animal through and through, and it only looks like a machine on the lowest levels
because of perceptual relativism. A machine cannot ever be human,
So you say.
but we can be fooled.
How do you're not already fooled; that what you take to be humans beings really are
computers - including yourself?
A human can act like a machine for a while but it isn't healthy.
Please avoid putting words in my mouth -
The above was a direct quote extracted from your email.
my position is that computers executed on inorganic material are not likely to ever be
conscious. They can progress on the X axis that I laid out above, but not the Y axis.
> It's not a matter of how it
> >could possibly happen, it is a matter of how could anyone think that it
> >isn't happening. You experience it yourself directly in every moment.
No you don't, or at least I don't. I experience many things but I don't
determined or not-determined.
If you get food when you are hungry, then you experience yourself being
And what if I don't get food because I want to be slimmer. Is that *not*
If you debate online and decide what you say based on your own thoughts rather than the
content of neurochemical sites in your brain, then you experience being not-determined.
Are you claiming "my own thoughts" are distinct from the neurochemistry of my
The first principle of science is don't fool yourself - and you
are the easiest person to fool.
--- Richard Feynman
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