On 3/13/2013 4:47 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:38:24 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/13/2013 3:32 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:00:27 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 3/13/2013 3:51 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
> The computer as a whole is
> >not a computer at all, it is an animal, a being. In reality, it only
> >like a computer on the lower levels because it is too distant from
> >personal experience to relate to personally.
At last Craig admits that a computer can be conscious - but only by not
computer at some magic level where it becomes an animal.
No, you misunderstand. Stathis used computer as a metaphor here for a
saying that if any part of the person acts like a machine then every part
person ant the person as a whole must be a machine. I was correcting him
that in fact a person is an animal through and through, and it only looks
machine on the lowest levels because of perceptual relativism. A machine
ever be human,
So you say.
but we can be fooled.
How do you're not already fooled; that what you take to be humans beings
computers - including yourself?
Because experience by definition cannot be simulated. You may be experiencing something
other than what you think you are experiencing, but the fact that you experience is not
something that you can doubt. How would you know that your doubt were real?
But you don't experience "not being a computer" or "being a computer". You experience
images, sounds, taste,... The rest is inference.
A human can act like a machine for a while but it isn't healthy.
Please avoid putting words in my mouth -
The above was a direct quote extracted from your email.
It was taken out of context so that it appeared to mean the opposite of what I was
trying to say.
my position is that computers executed on inorganic material are not likely
be conscious. They can progress on the X axis that I laid out above, but
not the Y
> It's not a matter of how it
> >could possibly happen, it is a matter of how could anyone think that
> >isn't happening. You experience it yourself directly in every moment.
No you don't, or at least I don't. I experience many things but I don't
determined or not-determined.
If you get food when you are hungry, then you experience yourself being
And what if I don't get food because I want to be slimmer. Is that *not*
It depends on whether you want to be slimmer more because it is something that you
decided for yourself or more because of social conditioning, peer pressure, etc. There
are different degrees to which our behavior is influenced externally.
If you debate online and decide what you say based on your own thoughts
the content of neurochemical sites in your brain, then you experience being
Are you claiming "my own thoughts" are distinct from the neurochemistry of
Is the plot of a TV show distinct from the pixels on your TV screen?
The latter are causally related to the first.
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