John K Clark, who else? An experience which began at a certain place and time in history. When you die, you will be identified primarily by a name and two dates. That information is as close as you can get to a 'body' in public space. That is the footprint of your personal share of eternity. > > >> Evolution most certainly did do it >>> >> >> >Because Evolution is God? >> > > They say there is no such thing as a stupid question. They're wrong. > Ah, another nervous tic is born I see. It doesn't satisfy the intent of my question though. You claim to know what evolution does and does not do, but evolution has only ever been implicated in the morphological structure of biological species. > > >>and given the fact that Evolution can only see behavior and not >>> consciousness the only logical conclusion to make is that consciousness >>> must be the byproduct of something that Evolution can see, and intelligence >>> seems to be the best bet. >>> >> >> > Except that intelligence could not benefit in any way by consciousness. >> > > Therefore, as I just said, consciousness MUST be the byproduct of > something that Evolution CAN see, and as I also just said Evolution CAN see > intelligence. > But consciousness can't be a byproduct of anything because it would be completely unexplainable and superfluous no matter what you try to attach it to. It is completely implausible in every way. > >>> I can tell if it has video or audio qualities because I experience >>>> them directly with human perception. >>> >>> >>> >> Baloney. If "IT HAS ZERO TO DO with video or audio qualities" then >>> neither you nor anybody or anything can tell if it is audio or video >>> because it is neither. IT HAS ZERO AUDIO OR VIDEO QUALITIES! >>> >> >> > The file has no audio or video qualities, but certainly hearing music >> has audio qualities and seeing a video has video qualities. The point is >> that the computer can neither see or hear, >> > > You can't hear or see a computer file, all you can do is see or listen to > the computers interpretation of that file. > Well, I could theoretically look at the HD platter with an electron microscope. > People must have collectively concluded that the computers interpretation > is pretty damn good or information processing wouldn't be a multitrillion > dollar industry. > There you go back to the 'whoever is winning must be right and superior'. What does the popularity of porn and gossip have to do with the capacity of computers to think and feel? Craig > > John k Clark > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.