On 08.04.2013 11:38 Bruno Marchal said the following:
On 07 Apr 2013, at 19:20, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 07.04.2013 19:12 meekerdb said the following:
On 4/6/2013 11:54 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 07.04.2013 02:40 Craig Weinberg said the following:
Ok, here's my modified version of Fig 11
I believe that you have understood the paper wrong. The authors
literally believe that the observed 3D world is geometrically
speaking in the brain.
Yes our 3d model of the world is in our minds (not our brains).
It's not "there" geometrically speaking. Geometry and "there"
are part of the model. Dog bites man.
Well, if you look into the paper, you see that authors take it
literally as in neuroscience mind means brain. Mind belongs to
But mind is different from brain. And mind is part of both cognitive
science and theoretical computer science. To identify mind and brain
is possible in some strong non computationalist theories, but such
theories don't yet exist, and are only speculated about. To confuse
mind and brain, is like confusing literature and ink. Neurophilophers
are usually computationalist and weakly materialist, and so are
I guess, this is a way how science develops. Neuroscientists study brain
and they just take a priori from the materialist and reductionism
paradigm that mind must be in the brain. After that, they write papers
to bring this idea to the logical conclusion. To this end, they seem to
have two options. Either they should say that the 3D visual world is
illusion (I guess, Dennett goes this way) or put phenomenological
consciousness into the brain. Let us see what happens along this way.
The paper in a way is well written. The only flaw (that actually is
irrelevant to the content of the paper) that I have seen in it, is THE
ENTROPY. Biologists like the entropy so much that they use it in any
occasion. For example from the paper:
“Thus, changes in entropy provide an important window into
self-organization: a sudden increase of entropy just before the
emergence of a new structure, followed by brief period of negative
entropy (or negentropy).”
I have seen that this could be traced to Schrödinger’s What is Life?,
reread his chapter on Order, Disorder and Entropy and made my comments
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