On 5/14/2013 1:18 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:


On 14 May 2013, at 21:45, meekerdb wrote:

On 5/14/2013 12:29 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 14 May 2013, at 19:12, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:

On 14.05.2013 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following:

On 14 May 2013, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:

I am interested in the difference between natural and artificial.
So a computer both natural and artificial. Do you know things that
are just natural and where the term artificial is not applicable?
If yes, what is the difference in your view between things that

1) Natural

2) Natural and artificial

For the human, the distinction is:

Natural = not man made. Artificial = man made

So TV, castles, churches, planes, computers, houses, etc. are
artificial, and clouds, volcano, sea, fishes, comets, stars, etc. are
natural.

If you are monist, that distinction is quite artificial, because
humans have no special status.

They have the special status of being humans.

Sure, like termites have the special status of being termites.

And we could define a word "termiticial" to denote things made by termites. So what's the problem?




If you are dualist and
anthropomorphic, then you can absolutize the distinction (but this
seems ad hoc to me).

I don't see what is has to do with dualism. If you can distinguish "humans" from "not-humans" then you can distinguish "made by humans" from "not made by humans". It's as scientific as any concept: table, chair, tiger, star, amoeba,...


If you can distinguish "termites" from "not-termites" then you can distinguish "made by termites" from "not made by termites".

All I say is that "artificial" is relative to the choice of a particular animal among the animal. The humans. Us.

So it doesn't have anything to do with dualism.

Brent

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