On Jul 2, 2013, at 5:25 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

On 7/2/2013 3:08 PM, Jason Resch wrote:But what is the basis for the assumption that it's possible toderive a unique set of physical laws mathematics alone?It's not an assumption, it's a working assumption by those who wantto work on the problem instead of resting on the anthropic principle.I'm not saying physicists should pack their bags and go home, onlythat they should remain open to the possibility that some things,such as a unique value for the fine structure constant, may not beexplainable from within the theory itself.So far they've been vindicated.Physicists can dismiss the anthropic principle when they can showthe values for the dimensionless constants can be derived by somemore fundamental (non-anthropic) principle(s).What if they show that intelligent life is possible over a factor of10 range for the constant? How about a factor of 2? 1.1? 1.0001?

`I believe I have answered this before some time ago. We need to know`

`what the theory (be it M theory or something else) predicts the`

`distribution and/or ranges of possible values to be before we can`

`determine the probability.`

`There are other approaches though: consider the length of description`

`of our universe's laws, and compare that length to other possible`

`universes`

There are other possibilities though

What if they show that all the dimensionless constants can bederived except for one. Will we then apply the anthropic principleto that one?The anthropic principle starts to look like god-caulking - stuff tofill gaps.Brent --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

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