On Monday, July 15, 2013 6:41:28 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
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> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:32 AM, meekerdb <meek...@verizon.net<javascript:>
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>>  On 7/15/2013 2:30 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>> Would this kind of universality of human sense-making be likely if the 
>> connections between words, shapes, and feelings were purely computational?
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>> Why not?  Being a broken line vs a differentiable line is a computable 
>> property.  The difference between "k" sounds and "b" sounds is computable.  
>> So I'm not sure what you're getting at.  Or are you asking how "k" came to 
>> be associated with "broken line" or how the written letter "k" was 
>> associated with the phonetic sound of "k"?  
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> Right. Almost too easy, which makes me suspicious Craig has some weird 
> counter play ;-)
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> Indeed, why not? Rise and fall in values of acoustics + phonetics, shrill 
> i of kiki vs. roundness of bouba, are mapped to jagged form vs rounder 
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You could just as easily map the acoustics so that kiki appears round and 
bouba appears jagged. There is nothing implicitly visual about a sound 
unless an interpreter makes that connection. If there were, then watching 
an oscilloscope of a song playing would be the same as hearing it. Since we 
can make sense of both audio and visual sensations, we can read the 
commonality between them, but a machine won't make that connection on its 
own.
 

> Spikes vs. curves in values of graphic pattern mirrored by disjunct vs. 
> conjunct in sound, which you could make visible by frequency response 
> graph. Spikes vs. curves, odd to even, states of randomness to organization 
> etc. Full buffet, eat all you can, choice is yours. PGC
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All of those 'vs' and 'to' comparisons or contingent on a sensible 
interpreter. They imply no intrinsic quantitative equivalence to each other 
without one. What color is even? What flavor is randomness?

Craig


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