Your correlation between the roundness of 'ou' vs 'i' is not bad at all. I was considering that you might be right on that for some time. There are other words which support that hypothesis. Boobs come to mind. I think that this kind of onomotopoeic relation is legitimate part of the answer - however, it is not the whole solution. The B sound and the K sound have the same soft and hard association but the way the mouth moves does not suggest that visually - it feels that way when you say it though. B feels softer than K. This goes back to the original point. Aesthetics of first person experience drive the computation, not the other way around. A computer, knowing nothing about what it is like to say "B" (it uses a screen or a speaker, not vocal chords and lips) has no way to map B to softness. Craig > Brent > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.