Sorry I forgot to put in the linK ;

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15699293


>Hi Chaotic Inflation  
> 
>There is indeed a positive association between TCAs and suicide,  
>(how strong it doesn't say) but otherwise there is a negative association.   
>I wouldn't be surprised  however, if there was a positive association for ALL 
>antidepressants, 
>as they don't work perfectly anyway. From my experience,  
>I would say that they only reduce depression at best about 50%.  
> 
> 
>The relationship between antidepressant medication use and rate of suicide.  
> 
>Gibbons RD, Hur K, Bhaumik DK, Mann JJ.  
>Source  
> 
>Center for Health Statistics, University of Illinois at Chicago, USA.  
>RESULTS:  
> 
>The overall relationship between antidepressant medication prescription and 
>suicide rate was not significant.  
>Within individual classes of antidepressants, prescriptions for selective 
>serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs)  
>and other new-generation non-SSRI antidepressants (eg, nefazodone 
>hydrochloride, mirtazapine, 
> bupropion hydrochloride, and venlafaxine hydrochloride) 
> are associated with lower suicide rates (both within and between counties). A 
> positive association between  
>tricyclic antidepressant (TCA) prescription and suicide rate was observed. 
>Results are adjusted for age, sex, race, income,  
>and county-to-county variability in suicide rates. Higher suicide rates in 
>rural areas are associated with fewer antidepressant 
> prescriptions, lower income, and relatively more prescriptions for TCAs. 
> 
> 
> 
>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] 
> 
> 
>ee my Leibniz site at 
>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough 
> 
> 
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>Time: 2013-08-05, 04:38:01  
>Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: 
>[4DWorldx]Fw:Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>dude you need to get off this obsession with liberals that you have and 
>>analyze the facts.... look up Prozac defense and homicide rate with SSRIs 
>>..... also look up the Columbine incident and how that's linked to 
>>antidepressants..... and if this wasn't true, they wouldn't have had to shell 
>>out millions of dollars in class action lawsuits, and psychiatrists 
>>themselves are now railing against the widespread overuse of 
>>antidepressants...... this has nothing to do with politics.  
>>  
>>  
>>________________________________  
>> From: Roger Clough  
>>To: theoretical_physics ; 4dworldx <4dwor...@yahoogroups.com>; 
>>theoretical_physics_board  
>>Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:21 AM  
>>Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] 
>>Fw:Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>Hi Chaotic Inflation  
>>  
>>I think those are typical liberal lies.  
>>  
>>  
>>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]  
>>See my Leibniz site at  
>>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough  
>>  
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>>Time: 2013-08-04, 00:33:01  
>>Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] 
>>Fw:Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this  
>>  
>>>From what I've read some (prozac especially, but also others) cause violent 
>>>tendencies in teenagers..... the side effects are vastly different in 
>>>children with developing brains.  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>________________________________  
>>> From: Roger Clough  
>>>To: 4dworldx <4dwor...@yahoogroups.com>; theoretical_physics  
>>>Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:00 AM  
>>>Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: 
>>>Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>Hi Chaotic Inflation  
>>>  
>>>Antidepressants are probably overprescribed, but they only help you if you 
>>>are depressed,  
>>>otherwise I am told that they have no effect (they surely don't make you 
>>>high), so why would anybody  
>>>keep paying even the copay ? My suspicion is that they are useful and so 
>>>needed.  
>>>  
>>>Without God, it's a depressing world.  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]  
>>>See my Leibniz site at  
>>>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough  
>>>  
>>>  
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>>>Time: 2013-08-03, 03:49:37  
>>>Subject: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: 
>>>Re:Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>>Obviously this isn't an all size all fits scenario, you have a serious 
>>>>condition, but they are way overprescribed, especially to children and 
>>>>those with only mild or moderate condition, which studies have shown 
>>>>respond much better to counseling and lifestyle changes and which 
>>>>alternatives dont have the serious side effects. Your condition clearly 
>>>>isn't mild or moderate and therefore you need them. The pharmaceutical 
>>>>industry, like with statins, has been trying to expand its market as much 
>>>>as possible, to people who dont need them instead of concentrating on the 
>>>>ones who really do- hence the television ads.  
>>>>  
>>>>________________________________  
>>>> From: Roger Clough  
>>>>To: 4dworldx <4dwor...@yahoogroups.com>; theoretical_physics_board ; 
>>>>theoretical_physics  
>>>>Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 5:58 AM  
>>>>Subject: Re: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: 
>>>>Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>Hi Chaotic Inflation  
>>>>  
>>>>I've been on anti-depressants for 30 years and would  
>>>>be dead without them.  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]  
>>>>See my Leibniz site at  
>>>>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough  
>>>>  
>>>>  
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>>>>  
>>>>Time: 2013-08-01, 21:29:12  
>>>>Subject: [Theoretical_Physics] Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: 
>>>>Re:[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>>Yes, the sad fact is that most psychotropic drugs dont cure anything but 
>>>>>put people in a state of sluggishness that makes them not really care 
>>>>>about anything.  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>________________________________  
>>>>> From: Anna  
>>>>>To: 4dwor...@yahoogroups.com; theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com; 
>>>>>theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com  
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:25 PM  
>>>>>Subject: Re: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but 
>>>>>think about this  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>I tried once. Makes you very dull and uncreative.  
>>>>>Anna  
>>>>>  
>>>>>From: Chaotic Inflation  
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:23 PM  
>>>>>To: 4dwor...@yahoogroups.com ; theoretical_physics_bo...@yahoogroups.com ; 
>>>>>theoretical_phys...@yahoogroups.com  
>>>>>Subject: [4DWorldx] Fw: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but  
>>>>>think about this  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>I agree, I think they have good intentions however the end result would be 
>>>>> 
>>>>>disastrous. Although not all have good intentions, some have argued that  
>>>>>introducing lithium would be a good way to ensure "compliance" and curb 
>>>>>anti  
>>>>>authoritarian behavior  
>>>>>  
>>>>>________________________________  
>>>>> From: Roger Clough  
>>>>>To: theoretical_physics_board  
>>>>>  
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 5:45  
>>>>>AM  
>>>>>Subject: Re: Re: Re:  
>>>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>Hi Chaotic Inflation  
>>>>>  
>>>>>Lithium carbonate is a poison for most of us.  
>>>>>Even for those with  
>>>>>bipolar depression, it needs to be carefully monitored,  
>>>>>and they  
>>>>>can't be already taking it.  
>>>>>  
>>>>>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.)  
>>>>>[1/1/2000]  
>>>>>See my Leibniz site  
>>>>>at  
>>>>>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
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>>>>>following content -----  
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>>>>>Time: 2013-08-01, 03:17:43  
>>>>>Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board]  
>>>>>OK, but think about this  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>>Probably lol- what's your  
>>>>>position on some psychiatrists' wanting lithium in the water supply 
>>>>>though?  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>________________________________  
>>>>>> From: Roger  
>>>>>Clough  
>>>>>>To: theoretical_physics_board  
>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 1,  
>>>>>2013 2:16 AM  
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Re: [Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think  
>>>>>about this  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>Hi Chaotic Inflation  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>It won't make people happy, but putting contraceptives in the  
>>>>>drinking water should  
>>>>>>stop over-population.  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]  
>>>>>>See my Leibniz site at  
>>>>>>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>----- Receiving the following content -----  
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>>>>>Inflation  
>>>>>>Receiver: mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com  
>>>>>>Time: 2013-07-31, 21:26:42  
>>>>>>Subject: Re:  
>>>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>The problem is, what works in a petri dish is time limited-  
>>>>>those studies only go forward for a few months, while years down the line, 
>>>>> 
>>>>>things can be much different- and I contend this is exactly why we've seen 
>>>>>much  
>>>>>higher rates of certain illnesses. Man, reading that story about Agent 
>>>>>Orange  
>>>>>and the 200,000 kids born with birth defects really turned my stomach, and 
>>>>> 
>>>>>Monsanto had to shell out 230 million in a settlement and yet still denied 
>>>>> 
>>>>>responsibility? Evil endures. And now that glysophate has stopped working 
>>>>>they  
>>>>>want to use it on crops- what?! Haha, expect that company to be blown out 
>>>>>of  
>>>>>existence in the next few years. Dont think many tears will be shed.  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>________________________________  
>>>>>>> From: Allen Francom  
>>>>>>>To: "mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com";  
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:22 PM  
>>>>>>>Subject: Re:  
>>>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>This is actually  
>>>>>a heck of a topic  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>Because... Malthusians "do the math",  
>>>>>right or wrong, they still do it...  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>What works in a  
>>>>>Petri-dish works for us too ?  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>Likely so  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>EXCEPT - we are good at inventing new corn and wheat, right or wrong  
>>>>>at that too,  
>>>>>>>we still feed more people than have seemingly ever even  
>>>>>existed in entire history.  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>Shoulder to the wheel  
>>>>>everyone  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>Reach for the stars  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>Or bust  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>________________________________  
>>>>>>> From: Chaotic  
>>>>>Inflation  
>>>>>>>To: "mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com";  
>>>>>; "mailto:4dworldx%40yahoogroups.com";  
>>>>>;  
>>>>>"mailto:theoretical_physics_board%40yahoogroups.com";  
>>>>>; "mailto:theoretical_physics%40yahoogroups.com";  
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:02 AM  
>>>>>>>Subject: Re:  
>>>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>Nah, that's the wrong way to look at it,  
>>>>>humanity isn't being "controlled" it's just a fact of nature that this is 
>>>>>what  
>>>>>happens when one species dominates a planet for too long- it has nothing 
>>>>>to do  
>>>>>with "hating" anyone, but recognizing how the planet keeps everything in  
>>>>>balance- for the benefit of the entire planet, rather than just one 
>>>>>species. In  
>>>>>the long run it benefits everyone, including humans.  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>________________________________  
>>>>>>> From: Stephen P. King  
>>>>>>>To: mailto:Theoretical_Physics_Board%40yahoogroups.com  
>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 12:21 AM  
>>>>>>>Subject: Re:  
>>>>>[Theoretical_Physics_Board] OK, but think about this  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>Is humanity a blight to be controlled? If  
>>>>>so, we should we worry about shoving the throttle to full speed ahead and 
>>>>>get  
>>>>>the blight over with forthwith? Nature seems to manage to take care of 
>>>>>things  
>>>>>quite well w/o us... The inconsistency of the "Humanity Haters" confuses 
>>>>>me,  
>>>>>sorry...  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>On  
>>>>>7/30/2013 10:18 PM, Chaotic Inflation wrote:  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>The ice  
>>>>>ages actually performed a very necessary function if this is true- by 
>>>>>reducing  
>>>>>the human population- thus preventing a much greater disaster. I think we 
>>>>>are  
>>>>>overdue for one of these cataclysmic events and another reduction of the 
>>>>>human  
>>>>>population.  
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>Either way, we'll  
>>>>>be off of primitive fossil fuels long before any of this comes to pass- a 
>>>>>couple  
>>>>>hundred years is a drop in the bucket on all scales but the limited 
>>>>>lifespans of  
>>>>>human beings.  
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>--  
>>>>>>>Onward!  
>>>>>Stephen  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>  
>> 
> 
> 
> 
>Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000] 
>See my Leibniz site at 
>http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough 
>

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