>> The sad fact is that without Hitler, the West would still be a colonial 
power committing human rights abuses on a unimaginable scale.

I suppose we should expect multiverse theorists to present as fact 
counterfactual histories which can't be falsified.

Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:49:59 -0700
From: pier...@gmail.com
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

Self-contradictory. You've got to follow your own theories to their logical 
conclusions. *Which* Western/third world would have been better off if WW3 
hadn't happened? Since "everything happens" in some branch of the multiverse, 
surely there are innumerable branches in which the world is better off for not 
having undergone the horrors of WW3. Or are you saying that, if you summed 
human happiness in the branches of the hypothetical branch of the multiverse in 
which WW3 didn't happen, and compared it to the sum of human happiness in the 
branches in which it did, it would be higher in the ones in which it didn't? 
Put that way, it becomes a rather absurd claim wouldn't you say? And dubious - 
since first of all the additional happiness in those non-WW3 branches has to 
make up for the staggering, unimaginable misery of the holocaust, the Russian 
front, Hiroshima etc etc before "getting ahead" at all, and secondly because 
this is all based on the theory that Nazism not being "debunked" (It was 
exterminated) would have led to an incorporation of fascist ideology into the 
mainstream of global social organization, an extremely debatable proposition. 
Extremism is fostered by economic desperation. If the world had had time to 
fully recover from the depression, notions of invading the world would have 
looked a lot less attractive to the fat, comfortable citizens of an affluent 
western Europe, and Nazism may well have died a quiet death without the need 
for apocalypse. But of course I won't argue that's what *would* have happened, 
because making predictions about the consequences of any single event or change 
in world history is impossible. If you'd like to disagree, please tell us all 
what the consequences of the Arab uprisings will be in twenty years' time. 
We'll check back in then and see how well you performed.

On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:56:57 AM UTC+10, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:Roger 
may start a discussion on politics and presents some very narrow 

minded views, but I can present a different view that may be totally 

politically incorect but is i.m.o. the right view.



Not only is the 3rd World better off with WWII having happened, the 

Western World is also better off. Without WWII, Nazism would not have 

been debunked and we would gradually have evolved to become less free 

societies. Ideas that are totally politically incorrect like 

euthanizing old and handicap people to save health care costs would 

have been business as usual.



The fundamental mistake Roger makes is to think that the core moral 

values we have today are universal and that you can look back many 

decades and then condemn e.g. the Muslim Brotherhood for having 

supported the Nazis back then.



In the end, Roger's brain is just executing a prgram, whatever is 

against his moral values is encoded in his brain and that information 

did not come out of thin air. Had history run a different course (and 

history has run a different course in different sectors of the 

multiverse), Roger would have supported Nazi policies himself. In fact 

we can be sure that such a Nazi version of Roger exsts in the 

multiverse, because all possible programs exists.



Saibal





Citeren spudb...@aol.com:



> I do not see why Roger, needs, politics in this forum, but, so be it. 

> Smitra expresses a view that decides the US, has to be ruined for the 

> evil it has conspired against the wonderful, and innocent, people's 

> of the 3rd world. I am guessing that when the ISI strikes India, 

> using enhanced fission devices, he will be content that they detonate 

> it only on legitimate military targets? Enjoy.

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: smitra <smi...@zonnet.nl>

> To: everything-list <everyth...@googlegroups.com>

> Sent: Tue, Aug 20, 2013 8:13 am

> Subject: Re: The Nazi History of the Muslim Brotherhood

>

>

> Also I believe that 9/11 was a good thing, albeit it would have been

> etter if Bin Laden had focusses only on legitimate military targets

> ike the White House, the US Congress, the Senate and the Pentagon.

>

> iteren Roger Clough <rcl...@verizon.net>:

>>

> The Nazi history of the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood

>

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jk4a3Kk6-Y

>

> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]

> See my Leibniz site at

> http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough

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