"But it really all comes down to the confluence of these various factors 
that allows us to have this conversation in the first place,"

Numbers can't have a confluence though. It's not sensation that is primary, 
but sense. Sensation is a kind of sense and computation is a kind of 
sensemaking, but computation by itself can have no sensation. Sense is the 
primordial pre-fluence from which all confluences diverge.

On Saturday, September 28, 2013 2:29:39 AM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
> So it seems to me that all of us are situated within a spectacular 
> confluence of cosmological and biological factors.
> The cosmological factors include the fact that dark energy hasn't gotten 
> strong enough to rip the whole works apart,
> that the moon just so happens to be just as big as it is to provide us a 
> perfect occlusion of the sun during an eclipse,
> that we are just around the right time of our sun's evolution that we can 
> rely on it to be stable for the next billion years or so,
> that the moon is already properly tidally locked to our planet, such that 
> it won't have any future effect on our rotation period (good for life!)
> The biological factors include the fact that some self replicating 
> molecule was able to find purchase on a home (DNA),
> that it had enough time to evolve (it's home star was 'kind' and didn't 
> burp ionizing radiation one or two or dozens of times the way we know other 
> stars do)
> that it had a kind substrate (i.e. earth) that provided the kind of 
> atmospheric protection for life required in case the home star did burp
> that we have come from a long line of survivors, and therefore we are 
> almost automatically very robust, both physically and mentally
> And yet we talk about whether we are made from numbers and their 
> inexorable arithmetic relations(Bruno),
> And we talk about whether sensation is ultimately primary, and perhaps the 
> only thing (Craig),
> But it really all comes down to the confluence of these various factors 
> that allows us to have this conversation in the first place,
> comp be damned, do I assume primitive physical reality? well, look at the 
> sky and the moon and the time it's taken for this arbitrary contingent 
> thing to evolve, how could it be computational?
> multisense realism be damned, look at how things are conditioned by their 
> structure and function as we find them objectively... there's a reason why 
> hex wrenches open hex bolts, and it has nothing to do with sensation
> Peace,

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