On 8 October 2013 12:57, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 10/7/2013 4:14 PM, LizR wrote:
>  Yes of course it's mostly handguns, just as most deaths aren't due to
> mass shootings. Handguns are more common (cheaper, and easier to conceal if
> you intend to commit a crime). Firearms cause around 30,000 deaths/year in
> the US,
> Of which 2/3 were suicides.  I don't think the government has a right to
> prevent suicides.

Good point, I didn't realise that. I agree with you there, although I would
be interested to know how the suicide rate compares to countries with less
easily available (or certain) methods. Perhaps some suicides wouldn't have
carried it through without it being so easy, and would have gone on to
overcome their suicidal depression and live happy and fulfilling lives (I
managed it. I wonder how I would have fared if there had been a firearm

 apparently (plus about 70,000 injuries) - about the same number as car
accidents - yet the budget for research into preventing gun deaths is,
guess what, only one 20th of the budget for preventing car accidents.

That would depend a lot on the accounting.  You could say that all police
> budgets are for preventing gun deaths due to homicide.  And exactly what
> would you expect such research to do; conclude that guns that wouldn't fire
> would prevent gun deaths.  It's kinda the point of guns that they can kill
> things.  With cars it's an accident.  And car accidents kill six times as
> many people as guns, 18 times as many if you discount suicides.
> I guess this Wintemute guy in New Scientist got his stats wrong, then.
(He's some sort of researcher into this field, too, so a surprising
mistake.) He placed the numbers at about equal.

Yes, why guns kill people is a no-brainer, which is why most countries
don't allow them to be available to everyone in apparently unlimited
quantities. But apparently the US doesn't agree with that, and requires
people to do research on the subject (and then makes publishing their
results illegal, or so I'm told).

 It's almost as though there's a conspiracy ... oh, wait, there is!
 Apparently there are 315 million people living in the US, who between them
own 300 million guns, and 260 million cars.

And about two billion pairs of shoes and 250 million TV sets.  So what?  Is
> there some prescribed, right number for these things?

That's a strange comment. Given that the topic under discussion is guns in
the US, and a comparison was made with cars, it seems reasonable to fill in
a few extra pieces of gun and car related background information. And
obviously these both relate to the population - a million guns in a
population of 100,000 would seem more significant than if the population
was 1 billion - don't you think?

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