On 09 Oct 2013, at 14:19, Craig Weinberg wrote:

The point is not that they are stupid, its that they are muchstupider about aesthetic realities than quantitative measurements,which should be or *at least could be* be a clue

If that were true ...

`But you don't really address the critic made against that idea. You`

`seem just to have a prejudice against the possible relation between`

`machines and aesthetic realities. Your argument takes too much into`

`account the actual shape of current machines.`

that there is much more of a difference between mathematical theoryand experienced presence than Comp can possibly consider.

?

`I keep trying to point to you that there is a mathematical theory of`

`the experienced presence. Of course the mathematical theory itself is`

`not asked to be an experienced presence, but it is a theory about such`

`presence.`

You confuse the menu and the food.

This is not generalized from a particular case, it is a patternwhich I have seen to be common to all cases,

We cannot see infinitely many examples.

`I guess you mean that there is a general argument, but you don't`

`provide it.`

and I think that it is possible to understand that pattern withoutit being the product of any phobia or bias. I would love computersto be smarter than living organisms, and in some way, they are, butin other ways, it appears that they will never be, and for very goodreasons.

`That we still ignore. As I said, the phenomenology that you describe`

`fits well in the machine's machine qualia theory.`

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