On Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:58:30 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
> On 9 October 2013 05:25, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
> > 
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303492504579115310362925246.html
> > A lot of what I am always talking about is in there...computers don't 
> > understand produce because they have no aesthetic sensibility. A 
> mechanical 
> > description of a function is not the same thing as participating in an 
> > experience. 
> This is effectively a test for consciousness: if the entity can 
> perform the type of task you postulate requires aesthetic sensibility, 
> it must have aesthetic sensibility. 
Not at all. That's exactly the opposite of what I am saying. The failure of 
digital mechanism to interface with aesthetic presence is not testable 
unless you yourself become a digital mechanism. There can never be a test 
of aesthetic sensibility because testing is by definition anesthetic. To 
test is to measure into a system of universal representation. Measurement 
is the removal of presence for the purpose of distribution as symbol. I can 
draw a picture of a robot correctly identifying a vegetable, but that 
doesn't mean that the drawing of the robot is doing anything. I can make a 
movie of the robot cartoon, or a sculpture, or an animated sculpture that 
has a sensor for iodine or magnesium which can be correlated to a higher 
probability of a particular vegetable, but that doesn't change anything at 
all. There is still no robot except in our experience and our expectations 
of its experience. The robot is not even a zombie, it is a puppet playing 
back recordings of our thoughts in a clever way.


> -- 
> Stathis Papaioannou 

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