On Oct 11, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:58:30 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
>> On 9 October 2013 05:25, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303492504579115310362925246.html
>> >  
>> > A lot of what I am always talking about is in there...computers don't 
>> > understand produce because they have no aesthetic sensibility. A 
>> > mechanical 
>> > description of a function is not the same thing as participating in an 
>> > experience. 
>> This is effectively a test for consciousness: if the entity can 
>> perform the type of task you postulate requires aesthetic sensibility, 
>> it must have aesthetic sensibility.
> Not at all. That's exactly the opposite of what I am saying. The failure of 
> digital mechanism to interface with aesthetic presence is not testable unless 
> you yourself become a digital mechanism. There can never be a test of 
> aesthetic sensibility because testing is by definition anesthetic. To test is 
> to measure into a system of universal representation. Measurement is the 
> removal of presence for the purpose of distribution as symbol. I can draw a 
> picture of a robot correctly identifying a vegetable, but that doesn't mean 
> that the drawing of the robot is doing anything. I can make a movie of the 
> robot cartoon, or a sculpture, or an animated sculpture that has a sensor for 
> iodine or magnesium which can be correlated to a higher probability of a 
> particular vegetable, but that doesn't change anything at all. There is still 
> no robot except in our experience and our expectations of its experience. The 
> robot is not even a zombie, it is a puppet playing back recordings of our 
> thoughts in a clever way.

OK, so it would prove nothing to you if the supermarket computers did a better 
job than the checkout chicks. Why then did you cite this article?

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