On Saturday, October 12, 2013, Craig Weinberg wrote:

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> On Friday, October 11, 2013 11:32:49 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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>> On Saturday, October 12, 2013, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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>>> On Friday, October 11, 2013 5:37:52 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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>>>> On Oct 11, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> On Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:58:30 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
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>>>>> On 9 October 2013 05:25, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > http://online.wsj.com/article/****SB1000142405270230349250457911****
>>>>> 5310362925246.html<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303492504579115310362925246.html>
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>>>>> > A lot of what I am always talking about is in there...computers
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>>>>> > understand produce because they have no aesthetic sensibility. A
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>>>>> > description of a function is not the same thing as participating in
>>>>> an
>>>>> > experience.
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>>>>> This is effectively a test for consciousness: if the entity can
>>>>> perform the type of task you postulate requires aesthetic sensibility,
>>>>> it must have aesthetic sensibility.
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>>>> Not at all. That's exactly the opposite of what I am saying. The
>>>> failure of digital mechanism to interface with aesthetic presence is not
>>>> testable unless you yourself become a digital mechanism. There can never be
>>>> a test of aesthetic sensibility because testing is by definition
>>>> anesthetic. To test is to measure into a system of universal
>>>> representation. Measurement is the removal of presence for the purpose of
>>>> distribution as symbol. I can draw a picture of a robot correctly
>>>> identifying a vegetable, but that doesn't mean that the drawing of the
>>>> robot is doing anything. I can make a movie of the robot cartoon, or a
>>>> sculpture, or an animated sculpture that has a sensor for iodine or
>>>> magnesium which can be correlated to a higher probability of a particular
>>>> vegetable, but that doesn't change anything at all. There is still no robot
>>>> except in our experience and our expectations of its experience. The robot
>>>> is not even a zombie, it is a puppet playing back recordings of our
>>>> thoughts in a clever way.
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>>>> OK, so it would prove nothing to you if the supermarket computers did a
>>>> better job than the checkout chicks. Why then did you cite this article?
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>>> Because the article is consistent with my view that there is a
>>> fundamental difference between quantitative tasks and aesthetic awareness.
>>> If there were no difference, then I would expect that the problems that
>>> supermarket computers would have would not be related to its
>>> unconsciousness, but to unreliability or even willfulness developing. Why
>>> isn't the story "Automated cashiers have begun throwing temper tantrums at
>>> some locations which are contagious to certain smart phones that now become
>>> upset in sympathy...we had anticipated this, but not so soon, yadda yadda"?
>>> I think it's pretty clear why. For the same reason that all machines will
>>> always fall short of authentic personality and sensitivity.
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>> So you would just say that computers lack authentic personality and
>> sensitivity, no matter what they did.
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> Beyond question, yes. I wouldn't just say it, I would bet my life on it,
> because I understand it completely.
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Do you believe that computers can perform any task a human can perform? If
not, what is an example of a relatively simple task that a computer could
never perform?


-- 
Stathis Papaioannou

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