On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:05:46AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 13 Oct 2013, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> >
> >
> >On Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:54:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
> >On 10/12/2013 12:49 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote:
> >>Yes, but you see, even the food we get from the restaurant, is
> >>delicious. Why would it be delicious, assuming COMP. How could
> >>the primary modalities of things be good or bad assuming COMP? I
> >>know most people here think Craig is a hand waver, but I
> >>honestly cannot understand how qualia emerge from quantia,
> >>including their(meaning, my experiences) magically "emerge" from
> >>the many quants that Bruno's idea seems to require.
> >
> >Emergence is a description of how we think about our models of the
> >world - not something in the world.  So Bruno has a theory in
> >which some parts are true but incommunicable.  He identifies these
> >with qualia because that is (supposedly) a characteristic of
> >qualia.  That's actually how all scientific theories work: you
> >hypothesize a model, including connections to observations and see
> >if it has explanatory and predictive power.
> >
> >Isn't the the characteristic of "true but incommunicable" math a
> >rather thin premise to suggest that the incommunicability of some
> >truth = the appearance of flavors, colors, sounds, etc?
> "true but incommunicable" applies to three hypostases, and thus get
> three different logics. How do you know in advance that one of them
> will not throw some light on the qualia problem? Try to answer this
> without begging the question.
> Bruno

How do we know that those 3 hypostases exhaust the possibilities for
logics containing true but incommunicable sentences?

I do think Craig has a point here.


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