On 17 Oct 2013, at 03:19, LizR wrote:

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On 17 October 2013 14:08, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote:How could a machine be racist if it is totally incapable of any formof relation or sentience, according to you?Not according to me, I'm going along with Bruno. By his view, I am amachine, or a product of a machine, so if I am racist againstmachines, then it is inevitable that there will be machines who aresimilarly racist against humans or biology - the only differencebeing that they may be placed in a position to exert much morecontrol on the world.I don't remember Bruno saying that. (Unless one considers arithmeticto be a machine?)

`Just to be clear, I use often the term "elementary arithmetic" to`

`denote some (Robinsonian or not) theories or machine. Those are finite`

`entities (with an infinite set of beliefs/theorems).`

`I use "Arithmetic" or "Arithmetical truth" for the set of true`

`arithmetical proposition.`

`The first is a machine, the second is not. Arithmetical truth is not`

`Turing emulable. It is very big, even from outside. Then it is non-`

`conceivably big when seen from inside.`

Bruno

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