On 29 Oct 2013, at 14:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:

On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:08:16 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 28 Oct 2013, at 19:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:

On Monday, October 28, 2013 1:53:02 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:

I refer you to my rare posts where I suggest that the level is the molecular level, and should include the glial cells, which in my opinion (from diverse reading) handle to information.

I also defend the idea that an amoeba, by being unicellular, can be seen as a cell being simultaneously a digestive cell, a muscular cells, a liver cell, a kidney cell, a bone cell, and a brain cell.

Amoebas are not completely stupid and deserve respects, and so are any each of our own cells, despite those cells in multicellular organism have lost a bit of their freedom and universality to cooperate in what is ourself.

Again, the bold quote illustrates comp, and the fact that the level is lower than some thought.

Also with comp, consciousness is NOT a product of the mind. that's still too much an aristotelian way to express the "identity" thesis. Consciousness is not physical, it is the mental state of person associated to machines, when those person develop *some* true belief.

So if dendrites and molecules are people, why not quarks and numbers?

Cells are people, perhaps. Dendrites and molecules lack self- referential means, like quarks.

How do you know? From the article, dendrites seem to be doing what (we think that) a neuron does.

We can' know. An why would not a dendrite be a puppet manipulated by neurons. My hand might have a more complex behavior than a dendrite, yet I do not consider my hand as a person.

relative numbers does not lack them, but as 3p pure notion, are not people, but people can emerge from them and their cognitive abilities.

What do they emerge into,

Into person, or people.

given they lack sensory abilities?

Like molecules or elementary particles and waves.

The person, including the sensory abilities, is what emerge. To be more correct, the person is just the universal person, already in Platonia, described by the 8 hypostases, and which quickly believes itself to be a particular person when forgetting where she comes from.

The sensory abilities are well described by the universal person canonically associated to the universal machine, in his "Bp & Dt & p" discourse, notably.

The waves, the molecules, eventually the number relations particularize, or incarnate, the person in different context, but they don't create the person, nor produce consciousness. (I assume comp, of course).



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