On 29 Oct 2013, at 14:14, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:08:16 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Oct 2013, at 19:55, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, October 28, 2013 1:53:02 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I refer you to my rare posts where I suggest that the level is the
molecular level, and should include the glial cells, which in my
opinion (from diverse reading) handle to information.
I also defend the idea that an amoeba, by being unicellular, can be
seen as a cell being simultaneously a digestive cell, a muscular
cells, a liver cell, a kidney cell, a bone cell, and a brain cell.
Amoebas are not completely stupid and deserve respects, and so are
any each of our own cells, despite those cells in multicellular
organism have lost a bit of their freedom and universality to
cooperate in what is ourself.
Again, the bold quote illustrates comp, and the fact that the level
is lower than some thought.
Also with comp, consciousness is NOT a product of the mind. that's
still too much an aristotelian way to express the "identity"
thesis. Consciousness is not physical, it is the mental state of
person associated to machines, when those person develop *some*
So if dendrites and molecules are people, why not quarks and numbers?
Cells are people, perhaps. Dendrites and molecules lack self-
referential means, like quarks.
How do you know? From the article, dendrites seem to be doing what
(we think that) a neuron does.
We can' know. An why would not a dendrite be a puppet manipulated by
My hand might have a more complex behavior than a dendrite, yet I do
not consider my hand as a person.
relative numbers does not lack them, but as 3p pure notion, are not
people, but people can emerge from them and their cognitive abilities.
What do they emerge into,
Into person, or people.
given they lack sensory abilities?
Like molecules or elementary particles and waves.
The person, including the sensory abilities, is what emerge. To be
more correct, the person is just the universal person, already in
Platonia, described by the 8 hypostases, and which quickly believes
itself to be a particular person when forgetting where she comes from.
The sensory abilities are well described by the universal person
canonically associated to the universal machine, in his "Bp & Dt & p"
The waves, the molecules, eventually the number relations
particularize, or incarnate, the person in different context, but they
don't create the person, nor produce consciousness. (I assume comp, of
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