Marxists like BHO want people taken care of. They also want people dependent on government servicesnso they, the pols, can have control over the dumb serfs. And again, all the fashionable Marxists have a bunch of crony capitalist friends to get ideas from. As far as the state withering away, as Marx said, I do not view this as possible, unless everyone has access to 3D printers and nanofabrication. Like Engels and Marx wrote, The Means of Production...
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On 6 November 2013 14:06,  &lt;spudboy...@aol.com&gt; wrote:
No no. But as long as you don't conflate the ideal, versus the real, and like the marxists did, justify ever failure of their system, to "it will be perfect in the future, comrades.".



You're calling them "Marxists" because they paid lip service to Marx, hence my query about whether you are conflating them. I certainly haven't - nowhere have I claimed that the so-called Communist, Socialist or Marxist states were any such thing, in the sense that they adhered to the actual economic doctrines....


...which they obviously didn't. (Ironically, Marx thought the state would "wither away" in a true communist society.)





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