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On 6 November 2013 16:41, Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> And also distinguish Fascism from Communism. The former is bound to
> nationalism as its core bonding principle; whereas communism had an
> internationalist dimension and framed its core binding arguments in terms
> of
> class... the workers of the world unite rhetoric. Communist states, in
> practice, were as nationalistic as any other polity, but Communism the
> ideology paid lip service to an ideal of internationalism and international
> class struggle.
> In the end all systems devolve into the same basic repeating pattern of:
> those who manage to amass the power rule and continue to perpetuate their
> rule across generations, until some force majeure derails the gravy train.
> The world has been and always will be ruled by psychopaths, because all
> systems in the end become parasitized by successful psychopaths. And once a
> system is thoroughly parasitized by the crime families of the times, it
> almost invariably remains corrupted -- even when reformed.
> As long as successful psychopaths can slash & burn & murder their way to
> the
> top undetected (in fact often much admired) and as long as power is the
> organizing principle of human affairs we will remain essentially a prison
> planet -- IMO.
> What would really alter the course of history -- IMO -- would be an
> inexpensive and widely available sure fire test for identifying those
> lacking empathy, mirror neurons, and other characterizing traits of
> sociopaths (with psychopaths being the more virulent and more murderous
> subset). Imagine a world were psychopaths cannot accede to positions of
> power in government, industry, finance, academia, etc. because a simple
> test
> accurately identifies them.
> We -- all of us really and almost without break for all history -- suffer
> under misrule by organized psychopaths who invariably control the vertices
> of power and use it to ensure that they remain in power, long term.
> But no matter -- MWI -- there has to be some reality where psychopaths are
> treated as the diseased individuals they are and given help to overcome
> their affliction... now how to get the current "me" into that reality
> stream
> :)
> -Chris
>
>
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> Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World
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> One needs to distinguish Fascism and Nazism.  Fascism bound the
> nation-state
> into a super-organism. Nazism added a mystic racism about blood (volk) and
> soil, Christianity and anti-semitism.  There were fascist political
> philosophers who made rational arguments for fascism.  The Nazis were a
> cult
> from the start.
>
> Brent
>
> On 11/5/2013 4:54 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
> > As brent meeker quoated mussolini, we can call it corporatism, or
> > plutocracy. The thing about nazi corporatism is that the nation
> > becomes the race. A belief that somehow humans rise directly out of
> > the soil from the land.  The market influence thing seems right, hence
> the
> triumph of crony capitalism in american politics.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy <multiplecit...@gmail.com>
> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:52 am
> > Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World
> >
> > Regarding government totalitarianism in Nazi terms: Carl Schmitt
> > reasoned that corporations have the potential to become "states". If
> > the government doesn't keep their authority in check, they will enslave
> people and government through market influence.
> >
> >
> > We're perhaps still running "dominance over reason" pretty much
> > everywhere in the traditional colonial style... A few months ago the
> > similarity of foundations and of legal justifications for exceptional
> > powers ("state of emergency" Patriot, NDAA, secret Camps, limitless
> > surveillance etc.) between international politics to political philosophy
> driving Nazi Germany struck me.
> >
> >
> > Carl Schmitt focused a lot of this for the Nazis in his writings. Now,
> > I am not equating what is going on today with Germany then; that would
> > be too quick and simplistic. Even if Wikipedia cannot reflect the
> > nuances of his writing in German, it's still worth checking out his
> > "work" section summary on Wikipedia and to ask ourselves: how much
> > more civilized have we become since then? To what extent, have we
> > really turned a page on this "dominance model of hierarchical politics"
> that the Nazis developed into the 20th century; and re-branded that as
> "globalized freedom striving"?
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt
> >
> >
> > I'm not so sure we completely got rid of Nazi philosophy. I wonder if
> > John Clark would consider this a philosophical contribution to the
> > 20th century, lol! This philosophy does seem to have "real
> > consequences felt by everybody". PGC
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:21 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 5 November 2013 17:11,  <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
> > I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar
> > opposites. Because Marxists claim that they are for the proles does
> > not really mean that they are. It just means that they try to BS
> > people with this claim. In fact, there are no, non mixed economies
> > anymore, in the us, china, and russia. Its all a two classsystem of
> > rule by party leaders, and their pet billionaires. Cronyism. Marxism
> > killed 40 million people  in China, during the great leap forwards. It
> was
> never deliberate, but doing practices that ruined crop growth, by following
> party eddicts.
> >
> >
> > You're conflating the works of Karl Marx with people who paid lip
> > service to them. Do you uncritically believe that (say) America has a
> free
> market economy because they say so?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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