On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Liz, that depends on how you employ MUH. I use MUH in both the universes and
> the metaverse in my cosmology.
> Its use in the Metaverse results in massive particles with energy as well as
> the big bang and the spacetime of each universe.
> Its use in each universe results in consciousness when the complexity of
> biological cells exceeds the informational capacity of the universe, which
> amounts to a dualism.

This is an interesting idea. So you would say that the mind supervenes
on more computations than we can be aware of in our universe?

> The Metaverse appears to be Platonic but as Bruno has
> pointed out it is really Aristotelian as it is based, like in each universe,
> on a substantial computation machine (digital physics) rather than pure
> numbers, even though the machine uses number theory and MUH. So in short,
> the Metaverse computes what is physical and each universe computes the Mind
> that dreams in a mind/matter dualism. This is contrary to both the monistic
> MUH of Tegmark and the monistic comp of Marchal.
>
> Roger's fallacy is to assume a dualism like me but to divide the mind from
> the physical too far into the mind and as a result is unbelievable to most
> scientists. My cosmology is also unbelievable because I conjecture a
> Metaverse (which differs from the MWI multiverse), but the resulting
> physical universe is consistent with what most physicists think except for
> the lack of a physical MWI. I also do not know of any scientist that thinks
> like Roger, or like me for that matter. Richard
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:17 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If the Mathematical Universe Hypothesis is correct, spacetime (and
>> everything else) is an emergent feature of maths, which makes it a secondary
>> feature of a nonphysical, Platonic object, though not mind.
>>
>>
>> On 7 November 2013 07:01, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Roger, Perhaps it is because you are just plain wrong. Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am shocked to find that so far I have not
>>>> found a scientist anywhere that understands
>>>> that spacetime, being just lawful behavior (laws)
>>>> is platonic (is mind). Perhaps they consider it to be quantum
>>>> gravity.
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
>>>> See my Leibniz site at
>>>> http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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