On 06 Nov 2013, at 22:17, LizR wrote:

If the Mathematical Universe Hypothesis is correct, spacetime (and everything else) is an emergent feature of maths, which makes it a secondary feature of a nonphysical, Platonic object, though not mind.


And if we are digitalizable machine, then the Mathematical Universe hypothesis is correct for the ontology, and we need only elementary arithmetic, and physics is a secondary feature, but it *is* a mind fetaure, with the mind emerging from the computations (existing by elementary arithmetic).

By allowing an observer to be a non-machine *of some kind*, you can need richer mathematical theologies/physics, but that's not entirely clear to me.

The mind itself cannot be entirely mathematical. At least, nor from inside, where we are living (now), assuming we are machine.

So if we consider both the 3p and the 1p, the mathematical hypothesis is only 99,9998% correct. The tail of the cow can't go through the window!

Bruno







On 7 November 2013 07:01, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> wrote:
Roger, Perhaps it is because you are just plain wrong. Richard


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind


I am shocked to find that so far I have not
found a scientist anywhere that understands
that spacetime, being just lawful behavior (laws)
is platonic (is mind). Perhaps they consider it to be quantum
gravity.

Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough





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