Regardless, it is all mixed together worldwide, plutocracy for the rich, the queue line for the workers. Move forward comrade.

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From: Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com>
To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2013 10:41 pm
Subject: RE: Our Demon-Haunted World

And also distinguish Fascism from Communism. The former is bound to
nationalism as its core bonding principle; whereas communism had an
internationalist dimension and framed its core binding arguments in terms of
class... the workers of the world unite rhetoric. Communist states, in
practice, were as nationalistic as any other polity, but Communism the
ideology paid lip service to an ideal of internationalism and international
class struggle.
In the end all systems devolve into the same basic repeating pattern of:
those who manage to amass the power rule and continue to perpetuate their rule across generations, until some force majeure derails the gravy train.
The world has been and always will be ruled by psychopaths, because all
systems in the end become parasitized by successful psychopaths. And once a
system is thoroughly parasitized by the crime families of the times, it
almost invariably remains corrupted -- even when reformed.
As long as successful psychopaths can slash & burn & murder their way to the
top undetected (in fact often much admired) and as long as power is the
organizing principle of human affairs we will remain essentially a prison
planet -- IMO.
What would really alter the course of history -- IMO -- would be an
inexpensive and widely available sure fire test for identifying those
lacking empathy, mirror neurons, and other characterizing traits of
sociopaths (with psychopaths being the more virulent and more murderous
subset). Imagine a world were psychopaths cannot accede to positions of
power in government, industry, finance, academia, etc. because a simple test
accurately identifies them.
We -- all of us really and almost without break for all history -- suffer under misrule by organized psychopaths who invariably control the vertices
of power and use it to ensure that they remain in power, long term.
But no matter -- MWI -- there has to be some reality where psychopaths are
treated as the diseased individuals they are and given help to overcome
their affliction... now how to get the current "me" into that reality stream
:)
-Chris


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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 6:10 PM
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Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

One needs to distinguish Fascism and Nazism. Fascism bound the nation-state into a super-organism. Nazism added a mystic racism about blood (volk) and
soil, Christianity and anti-semitism.  There were fascist political
philosophers who made rational arguments for fascism. The Nazis were a cult
from the start.

Brent

On 11/5/2013 4:54 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
As brent meeker quoated mussolini, we can call it corporatism, or
plutocracy. The thing about nazi corporatism is that the nation
becomes the race. A belief that somehow humans rise directly out of
the soil from the land. The market influence thing seems right,
hence the
triumph of crony capitalism in american politics.

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From: Platonist Guitar Cowboy <multiplecit...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tue, Nov 5, 2013 7:52 am
Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

Regarding government totalitarianism in Nazi terms: Carl Schmitt
reasoned that corporations have the potential to become "states". If
the government doesn't keep their authority in check, they will
enslave
people and government through market influence.


We're perhaps still running "dominance over reason" pretty much
everywhere in the traditional colonial style... A few months ago the
similarity of foundations and of legal justifications for exceptional
powers ("state of emergency" Patriot, NDAA, secret Camps, limitless
surveillance etc.) between international politics to political
philosophy
driving Nazi Germany struck me.


Carl Schmitt focused a lot of this for the Nazis in his writings.
Now,
I am not equating what is going on today with Germany then; that
would
be too quick and simplistic. Even if Wikipedia cannot reflect the
nuances of his writing in German, it's still worth checking out his
"work" section summary on Wikipedia and to ask ourselves: how much
more civilized have we become since then? To what extent, have we
really turned a page on this "dominance model of hierarchical
politics"
that the Nazis developed into the 20th century; and re-branded that as
"globalized freedom striving"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt


I'm not so sure we completely got rid of Nazi philosophy. I wonder if
John Clark would consider this a philosophical contribution to the
20th century, lol! This philosophy does seem to have "real
consequences felt by everybody". PGC



On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:21 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 5 November 2013 17:11,  <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote:
I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar
opposites. Because Marxists claim that they are for the proles does
not really mean that they are. It just means that they try to BS
people with this claim. In fact, there are no, non mixed economies
anymore, in the us, china, and russia. Its all a two classsystem of
rule by party leaders, and their pet billionaires. Cronyism. Marxism
killed 40 million people in China, during the great leap forwards.
It was
never deliberate, but doing practices that ruined crop growth, by following
party eddicts.


You're conflating the works of Karl Marx with people who paid lip
service to them. Do you uncritically believe that (say) America has a
free
market economy because they say so?






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