On 11/6/2013 7:44 PM, LizR wrote:
On 7 November 2013 16:39, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>
On 11/6/2013 6:32 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
The problem of any system ever devised is that eventually it will become
– through one path or another corruption will become endemic and
will parasitize the system until eventually the empty husk of the hollowed
society collapses as all the illusions and Ponzi schemes become marked to
and no one is buying into it any longer.
Systems are human creations and suffer from all the pitfalls and blindness
characteristic of our species. A system organized around a Party or a
end up creating the same social structure of a corrupt class of successful
families becoming entrenched at the vertices.
In Roma there is a saying that translated more or less: “The first
bandits; the second generation are bankers; the third generation are
and by the fourth generation a Pope.” Or the Anglo saying “Behind every
fortune there is a great crime”
I think it is important to look at how even a system dedicated to the
wiping out class has invariably spawned various nationalistic red
Radish communists – red on the outside white on the inside) Look at the
in the PRC; or the weird family dynasty in the PRK… or the Stalinist
the former USSR. Or conversely how a system purporting to be based on the
of Jesus Christ resulted in the sordid history of the Papacy.
It does not matter much what the superficial forms of a system are, if the
outcome is invariably the same – that is the society becomes dominated by a
entrenched elite that enjoys disproportionate benefits and is concerned
its own self-serving interests.
You keep making these arguments that everything must necessarily get worse,
human institution must become an oppressive force run by an oppressive
pure selfishness. This is like the argument Boltzmann initially made that
must always, and has always increased. To which the response was, "Then
entropy not maximum and the world not pure chaos? Why is there abundant
life?" Maybe when you ask yourself that question your posts will become
simple rants and counsels of despair.
Well, civilisations have fallen with boring regularity throughout history - and
generally when they fell, they had an entrenched elite telling the populace that
everything was hunky dory.
At least if one can believe Jared Diamond, Ronald Wright /et al/.
You miss my point. If you fall you must first get up. All I see from Chris is down,
down, down. Down is inevitable. Corruption is inevitable. Oppression is inevitable. Do
you see no problem with this picture?
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