On 7 November 2013 19:52, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

> There is no "out of the system".

A Medieval Prince, and a Medieval peasant, would have agreed, yet we seem
to have jumped out of that system, at least in some parts of the world.

> I'm suggesting we look at the UP.  How did systems get UP before they
> fell.  I agree that all systems to keep power diffuse ultimately get
> gamed.  But some work better and last longer than others.  So we need to
> keep creating new UP systems and keep them UP longer.  There are no final
> victories.  But neither are there final defeats.  Think of Camus' "Myth of
> Sisyphus".
> Sisyphus is a rather depressing role model! (if you'll pardon the pun :)

But I agree we need to look at how to keep going onwards and upwards. Which
means we need to avoid the things that have dragged us down in the past
(some of which Chris has already mentioned...)

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