Either all humans enjoy human rights or none do. As soon as a class of
persons is created that are stripped of their basic human rights society is
on a slippery slope down into the dark hell of totalitarianism. This brings
up the paradox of crime & punishment. Whenever a person is punished by
society in some way and their rights are restricted this creates a risk. Now
obviously some people need to be imprisoned - not nearly as many as are in
fact imprisoned, but some people are violent anti-social and commit harm on
others.

But once someone has paid their price and done their time if they are then -
as they are in this country - permanently stripped of their civic rights
(felons cannot vote - or own guns as well -- in most states in the USA) it
gets into the area of creating a sub-human class of persons. 

We are all people. even our enemies. even the worst amongst us; when we deny
this, we deny our own humanity. 

-Chris

 

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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 2:52 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

 

 

On 06 Nov 2013, at 17:45, Chris de Morsella wrote:





Exactly. Already the techniques of social engineering are far more advanced
than they were even as recently as Goebbels time - and he advanced the art
of the Big Lie and of mass media propaganda and brought it into the modern
age. Goebbels would admire and recognize our "managed free press" for what
it is; he would be thrilled at how Americans have become inculcated to view
the word in terms of "good guys" & "bad guys" and that it is okay to
torture, murder, summarily execute and commit whatever outrage against "bad
guys" because they are "terrorists" and therefore do not enjoy any human
rights whatsoever. 

 

 

Yes. The NDAA 12 use "suspect of terrorist" to ensure the existence of a
collection of people (rather fuzzy here) which can be exempted from the
human right.

Goebbels, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Ceaucescu,  would have applauded. 

 

 

 

 





Goebbels, Hitler, Stalin would all nod their nasty heads in approval at how
we now have a so called "Patriot" act that strips of habeas corpus - a right
wrested from the aristocracy of the middle ages; how we have become a nation
of secret courts and secret "justice".

And all the while the great dumbed down masses of this country whilst they
belch their no nutrition television dinner watching their mind massaging TV
programming very loudly believe they are the most free, special, superior
being that ever lived in history.. American exceptionalism.

 

They have been, and by many tokens still are, but the erosion is quick, and
on some key point, they lost worst than freedom, they lost the information,
and get lied, and so it takes time to realize that.

 

 





The understanding of how the mind works and of how to vector in drugs to it
and the mass acceptance of mass medication has reached the point where it is
not out of the realm of the possible for a happy pill to be developed and
then - taken to the logical conclusion of even further miniaturization and
delivery as an aerosol.

The only reason that this country has these angry tea party types and the
right wing (often racist and weirdly KKKristian) militias is because they
are useful tools for the plutocrats. They are America's brownshirts and
though they may be surprised are acting as tools for the narrow interests of
the plutocrats who fund them, who yank their strings and who make them dance
to whatever tune suits their current tactical needs.

In America the plutocrats have perfected the art of social engineering - and
Americans genuinely do believe they are free and that anybody can be
president (and that if you do not make it in this rapacious greed driven
society, it's your own damn fault you lazy bastard)

There is not going to be any revolution here. not for a long while. The
owners of America have everything under control and the peasants believe
they are a bunch of free birds.

 

Ah' Now I am depressed.

 

Wake up people! Ask your government explanations, ask proofs, not free
associations. Proofs. Evidences. 

In life we have only one choice: logic or war. People which don't give proof
to you are doing war at you.

 

Bruno

 

 

 





-Chris

 

 

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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 11:11 PM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

 

On 6 November 2013 17:10, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

On 11/5/2013 8:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:

In the near future who knows. you may breath in some nano dust and within
minutes begin feeling a powerful compelling love for the dear leader (or
bankster) that fills you with an overriding motivation to struggle harder to
do your small part in increasing their glory. And - in this dystopic vision
-- it will be filled to the brim with a relentless love for our leaders that
we will march off to dreary impoverished, dull, brutish, lives and early
poisoned deaths on this poor raped earth. Until the very end - brought on by
systemic collapse -- the various walled in pleasure palaces of the major
psychopaths will be kept fully stocked with the very best and in these
cloistered estates, the in-bred, inward looking clans of the elite will
engage in endless merriment marked by grand balls and conspicuous displays
of wealth and power - as they jostle amongst each other for pecking order

And as the lowly prole dies his early death his face will be frozen in a
mask of perpetually induced love for the great leader. as deep inside the
soul writhes in agony.

 

Of course in the U.S. you can take up your arms and revolt - thanks to the
2nd amendment.

Brent

 

Chris' point is that you wouldn't want to. This is the Brave New World
version of the future, rather than 1984.

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