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Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 7:34 PM
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Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

 

On 11/7/2013 5:47 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:

 

 

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:12 PM
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Subject: Re: Our Demon-Haunted World

 

On 11/6/2013 6:42 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:

Either all humans enjoy human rights or none do. 


>> Human rights are a human invention.  

 

Yes… and so what. 


So they're not the same in every society or at all times.  So your
all-or-nothing assertion is false.

 

Okay, now I understand you. Yes, of course it is a fluid contextual concept.
The idea of natural human rights is relatively modern with an origin I would
guess in the ferment before the French Revolution “Liberté, égalité,
fraternité” and specifically the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the
Citizen (1789) with passage quoted from Wikipedia 

For liberté : "Liberty consists of being able to do anything that does not
harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of every man or woman
has no bounds other than those that guarantee other members of society the
enjoyment of these same rights.”

For égalité: “The law "must be the same for all, whether it protects or
punishes. All citizens, being equal in its eyes, shall be equally eligible
to all high offices, public positions and employments, according to their
ability, and without other distinction than that of their virtues and
talents."
fraternité: Sits off by itself a little. Our modern word solidarity perhaps
expresses some of it. We all have a moral obligation to each other; we –
speaking for myself and how I try to live, not always successfully J -- all
are each other’s brothers and sisters and as well we have moral bonds with
this planet that is our life home. Fraternité is the antithesis of greed.

While not exclusively French – the ferment was happening in several places –
this concept and ideal for me marks the beginning of the modern era… with
all of its peaks achieved by genius, creative reason and the mysterious
something upon which inspiration flows and deep dark totalitarian episodes
as well.. and the insane burning through the planets resource treasure
troves in a hundred years…. Go, go, go!

 

Either we all enjoy human rights or none of us do. Either we all have free
speech or none of us really do – if it can be taken away.



Brent

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