On 07 Nov 2013, at 16:47, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:

Now, the question, of questions. Can our minds/personality which produces ideas, transcends our tissue and bones?


Yes.





Since, we are speaking science here, and science is concerned with explaining "How" things work, exist, we will need to answer How?


Empirically, our bones and tissues quantum states are only the marks of our most probable computational histories. Our minds and personality exists, in infinitely many exemplars in arithmetic, out-of- time and out of space----which belongs to the categories of persistent universal number "hallucinations".

This should be easy to derive if you grasp all steps in the UD Argument, normally.

NUMBERS ==> NUMBERS DREAMS ==> PHYSICAL REALITIES ==> HUMANS ==> HUMANS DREAMS => ...

Bruno








Locally. Relatively. Yes. Like this post depends on my computer's body right now. I agree.

"Globally", or theologically, it is more complex. Bodies, like orbitals, are map of accessible consistent extensions, and things are rich and complex, especially if you are open to the idea of conscious universal person, perhaps related to the universal numbers, or the Löbian one.

Platonists believes in truth, beauty, justice, ... and computationalist knows that those are like real family, full of tension and contradictions, which in a sense makes them alive, and almost recognizable from lives to lives.
Our bodies can be the vehicle of ideas which transcends them.

Bruno
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On 06 Nov 2013, at 17:26, meekerdb wrote:

On 11/6/2013 1:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Our bodies are both, I would say. But we are not our bodies, we are our values, ideas, memories, etc.

But evolution implies that those are not independent of our bodies.

Locally. Relatively. Yes. Like this post depends on my computer's body right now. I agree.

"Globally", or theologically, it is more complex. Bodies, like orbitals, are map of accessible consistent extensions, and things are rich and complex, especially if you are open to the idea of conscious universal person, perhaps related to the universal numbers, or the Löbian one.

Platonists believes in truth, beauty, justice, ... and computationalist knows that those are like real family, full of tension and contradictions, which in a sense makes them alive, and almost recognizable from lives to lives.
Our bodies can be the vehicle of ideas which transcends them.

Bruno




Brent

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