On 12 November 2013 14:14, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 11/11/2013 4:29 PM, LizR wrote:
> On 12 November 2013 13:03, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On 11/11/2013 3:39 PM, LizR wrote:
>> On 12 November 2013 09:37, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2013 11:21 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
>>> You find you every day, according to you, every day should not happen,
>>> only being 10¹⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰ is likely, it's just
>>> non-sense, your life is not random sampled, yesterday happen before today
>>> and before tomorrow. That doesn't make today less likely than tomorrow.
>>> Sure, but it makes the interval (0,75) less likely than the interval
>>> (75, inf).
>>> Unless you're Billy Pilgrim from "Slaughterhouse 5" this argument
>> doesn't make sense, beause you are forced to sample your days in ascending
>> But what does that have to do with the probabilities? A "sample" is
>> when I ask myself, how probable is it that my age is what it is today. I
>> don't have to do this everyday. In fact I'm very unlikely to have done it
>> before age 4. So I don't see why sequence is determinative. ISTM is only
>> implies that tomorrow will be less likely than today (since I may not ask
>> tomorrow; possibly because I'm dead).
> Sequence is determinative because that's how the universe works.
> Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to
> day, to the last syllable of recorded time. That's the second law doing its
> thing, and unless you've got very good reason to think otherwise, you
> shouldn't be surprised that it is. All we're saying is that you should be
> unsurprised to find yourself living your life in ascending order. You have
> to pass through your current age at some point, unless you die first, and
> you should expect to do so before you reach a greater age. If at your
> current age you ask how probable it is that you are your current age, the
> answer is 1. If you're quantum immortal then you will have the same
> probability every time you ask yourself that question into the indefinite
> future. You are always 100% likely to be your present age!
>> Suppose you're Benjamin Button. For him would it be OK to say it's
>> surprising I'm only 75?
> I don't know anything about Benjamin Button.
> Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse.
> Oh, right, like the guy in Martin Amis' "Time's Arrow" (itself a rip off
from "An Age" by Brian Aldiss). Presumably according to QTI he's at the end
of an infinite future lifetime, or whatever? But since he's unphysical I
guess we can say what we like about him.
> So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Quentin, what's you inference from
> the fact you, and every body you've ever heard of died before reaching age
My normal inference is that everyone dies. Apparently the QTI throws doubt
on this by pointing out that we have only sampled an infinitesimal
proportion of the available branches of the multiverse, and that in another
infinitesimal portion there might be people who live forever (somehow).
What is your inference from the fact that everywhere you've ever travelled
has been on or near the surface of a congenial planet supplied with air,
water and all the necessities of life?
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