On 11/12/2013 11:15 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:




2013/11/12 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>

    On 11/12/2013 10:24 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:



    2013/11/12 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>

        On 11/12/2013 7:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote:



        On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:14 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
        <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:


            Benjamin Button lived his life in reverse.

            So I'll ask you the same thing I asked Quentin, what's you 
inference from
            the fact you, and every body you've ever heard of died before 
reaching age
            150?


        That observation is not relevant the question at hand.  MWI implies 
subjective
        immortality, not immortality of others.

        I didn't specify a question.

    And what is this "what's you inference from the fact you, and every body 
you've
    ever heard of died before reaching age 150?" ?

    Also I don't see the relevance of the fact that we don't have past 
eternality for
    that question ? You don't have to move back to 4 to say we forget things, 
from day
    to day there are a lot of things I forget

    Me too, but there are *some things* I remember and even remember 
remembering.  My
    father had Alzheimers and he came to a state where he didn't remember 
anything, even
    minute to minute.  Was he still the same person?  Didn't seem like it to me.


    ... that doesn't mean I'm dead today, or that those event didn't exists, or 
that is
    necessary they did. QI does not state that we should have an eternal 
past... only
    that our 1 POV will never cease (doesn't say anything about perfect memory 
recall
    either).

    No, but if we rely on QM to show we have an eternal future, then we have to 
say why
    the time symmetry of QM doesn't imply and eternal past.  Of course the 
obvious
    answer is in the past our physical structure (i.e. brain etc) didn't exist. 
 But
    then that also implies that we won't exist in the future as our physical 
structure
    dissipates.


Only if MWI is false, QI relies on MWI, with MWI, it is garanteed that some branches will carry a continuum of you from near perfect continuation to no continuation (but these are to be ignore, you're just not where you're not), of course if MWI is false, QI is too.

But when you look at it that way it's not so dependent on QM as on statistical mechanics. If your 'measure' in the world (and I'm not sure that's a coherent concept) is continually decreasing, as the Born weight of "dead" grows "alive" falls, then the probability you are dead approaches 1. Then it becomes vague what "you" means. Can your next experience be that being a corpse, a rock, a bit of methane gas? Is there necessarily a Quentin who remembers being Quentin at all?

Brent

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