# Re: Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind

```2013/11/12 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>

>  On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> 2013/11/12 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
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>>  On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> 2013/11/12 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
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>>>  On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>>> This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability
>>> of being alive, probability is only meaningful between two moments...
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>>>  But there's a probability of being alive at time t in the future,
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>>  This is ASSA
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>>> and that can become arbitrarily small, and in fact it is arbitrarily
>>> small
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>>  If absolute measure makes sense, then your absolute measure is always
>> decreasing, still in MWI, as there is always a next moment (which will be
>> as *real* as the previous one), I don't see how ASSA is relevant for the
>> question.
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>>  I guess it depends on how you value future states.  If only those you
>> exist in matter then you can ignore the ASSA.  No need for life insurance.
>> No concern about global warming.
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>  That does not follow... RSSA is moment to moment... If you have a gun in
> front of you and you shoot in your head and if MWI is true, there will be
> more branches where you are crippled than where you are perfectly safe (and
> a hell of a lot more where you're dead, but *we don't count where you're
> not*).
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> crippled/brain-damaged can you be and still count as a continuation?  Are
> there degrees of continuation?
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As long as you still feel you, that counts.

> If so, why can't the degrees asymptote to zero?
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It is, reread my previous message, there is a continuum of such
continuations. The one that don't count are the one where nothing is left
from you. I would say also, there is a continuum but by RSSA, nearest
continuation should have higher probability.

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>>> - so all rational decisions will be based on assuming it becomes zero.
>>> Right?
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>>  I don't see how decisions come into play here, rational decisions
>> depends on the one taking them... I would rationally choose to minimize arm
>> for me (so as not to put my life in jeopardy), because if MWI is true *and*
>> with RSSA, me in front on a shotgun, will likely result me being crippled
>> while not dead with a hell lot more probability than being perfectly safe
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>>  But most such events, like being shot with a shotgun, are essentially
>> classical which implies that your continuations depend on extremely
>> improbable events
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>  Sure, but the point is *αΊ—here is a continuation*; that's all what is
> needed for the argument to follow.
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> "There is a continuation" seems to slough over what counts as a
> continuation and whether we should care about it.
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There is a continuum of continuations, the point is there is, so you either
argue MWI is false, but your argument is pointeless if MWI is true, that's
the way it is.

> If the only continuations are quite different from what you think of as
> Quentin Anciaux, do they still count?
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The only thing that count is 1st POV...

>  And I don't think you can just rely on the continuity of Hilbert space
> evolution because the time scale of that evolution can be much faster than
> the sequences of conscious thought.  So as far QM goes you could evolve
> from Quentin Anciaux to Neo (or to Brent Meeker) in a millisecond.
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>> - Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns, e.g. you wake up from having dreamed a
>> whole life which led to you being shot, or you discover you are just
>> participating in a simulation in which you were shot, or you're not really
>> Quentin Anciaux, or...  Did you read "Divided by Infinity"?
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>>   .... RSSA is of use, ASSA not much at all.
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>>  So have you bought an annuity for your retirement?
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>  You confuse things... RSSA is important, and that's why you buy a life
> insurance.
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> Life insurance I understand, it is for other people that survive you (in
> almost all worlds).  But an annuity is for yourself, so that you don't
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So what ?

Quentin

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> Brent
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