Every one of the perhaps inifinite copies of you will grow old and die in
less than 150 years.
There is no quantum immortality


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> 2013/11/12 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
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>>  On 11/12/2013 1:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>> 2013/11/12 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
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>>>  On 11/12/2013 1:02 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>>> 2013/11/12 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
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>>>>  On 11/12/2013 12:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>>>> 2013/11/12 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net>
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>>>>>  On 11/12/2013 12:23 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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>>>>> This is ASSA, and I find that absurd, there is no absolute probability
>>>>> of being alive, probability is only meaningful between two moments...
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>>>>>  But there's a probability of being alive at time t in the future,
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>>>>  This is ASSA
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>>>>> and that can become arbitrarily small, and in fact it is arbitrarily
>>>>> small
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>>>>  If absolute measure makes sense, then your absolute measure is always
>>>> decreasing, still in MWI, as there is always a next moment (which will be
>>>> as *real* as the previous one), I don't see how ASSA is relevant for the
>>>> question.
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>>>>  I guess it depends on how you value future states.  If only those you
>>>> exist in matter then you can ignore the ASSA.  No need for life insurance.
>>>> No concern about global warming.
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>>>  That does not follow... RSSA is moment to moment... If you have a gun
>>> in front of you and you shoot in your head and if MWI is true, there will
>>> be more branches where you are crippled than where you are perfectly safe
>>> (and a hell of a lot more where you're dead, but *we don't count where
>>> you're not*).
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>>>  But that's part of what bothers me about this idea.  How
>>> crippled/brain-damaged can you be and still count as a continuation?  Are
>>> there degrees of continuation?
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>>  As long as you still feel you, that counts.
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>>> If so, why can't the degrees asymptote to zero?
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>>  It is, reread my previous message, there is a continuum of such
>> continuations. The one that don't count are the one where nothing is left
>> from you. I would say also, there is a continuum but by RSSA, nearest
>> continuation should have higher probability.
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>>>>> - so all rational decisions will be based on assuming it becomes
>>>>> zero.  Right?
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>>>>  I don't see how decisions come into play here, rational decisions
>>>> depends on the one taking them... I would rationally choose to minimize arm
>>>> for me (so as not to put my life in jeopardy), because if MWI is true *and*
>>>> with RSSA, me in front on a shotgun, will likely result me being crippled
>>>> while not dead with a hell lot more probability than being perfectly safe
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>>>>  But most such events, like being shot with a shotgun, are essentially
>>>> classical which implies that your continuations depend on extremely
>>>> improbable events
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>>>  Sure, but the point is *αΊ—here is a continuation*; that's all what is
>>> needed for the argument to follow.
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>>>  "There is a continuation" seems to slough over what counts as a
>>> continuation and whether we should care about it.
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>>  There is a continuum of continuations, the point is there is, so you
>> either argue MWI is false, but your argument is pointeless if MWI is true,
>> that's the way it is.
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>> Well I'm certainly not dogmatically assuming MWI.  In fact I'm testing
>> whether it leads to absurdities.
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> Sure, the point is that if MWI is true, the argument follows.
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>>> If the only continuations are quite different from what you think of as
>>> Quentin Anciaux, do they still count?
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>>  The only thing that count is 1st POV...
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>> So *you* Quentin Anciaux (incidentally, how do pronounce that?) don't
>> necessarily continue.  It is just that there is a continuation of 1p POVs.
>> So we're down to the question of what constitutes a 1p POV.
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> I know what is my own, don't know for you, but I assume you do know it for
> yourself.
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>>>  And I don't think you can just rely on the continuity of Hilbert space
>>> evolution because the time scale of that evolution can be much faster than
>>> the sequences of conscious thought.  So as far QM goes you could evolve
>>> from Quentin Anciaux to Neo (or to Brent Meeker) in a millisecond.
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>>>> - Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns, e.g. you wake up from having dreamed a
>>>> whole life which led to you being shot, or you discover you are just
>>>> participating in a simulation in which you were shot, or you're not really
>>>> Quentin Anciaux, or...  Did you read "Divided by Infinity"?
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>>>>   .... RSSA is of use, ASSA not much at all.
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>>>>  So have you bought an annuity for your retirement?
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>>>  You confuse things... RSSA is important, and that's why you buy a life
>>> insurance.
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>>>  Life insurance I understand, it is for other people that survive you
>>> (in almost all worlds).  But an annuity is for yourself, so that you don't
>>> outlive your savings in your retirement.
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>>   So what ?
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>> So if you think you will live much longer than the insurance companies
>> think you will, you should buy an annuity for your (very) old age.
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> Maybe we should.
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>> Brent
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