On 11 Nov 2013, at 20:21, Quentin Anciaux wrote:

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2013/11/11 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> On 11/11/2013 1:47 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:Sure, but if I live infinitely long I will have almost all myexperiences older than 75. So when I note that I'm not that oldand that seems improbable,The thing is as I said is that you have to be *first* 75 beforebeing older... you're talking like every moment of your life waschosen randomly... they aren't (at least for me) before today, itwas yesterday, not a random moment, and tomorrow will be tomorrownot a random moment in my life. Using your argument I should neverhave been a child.No, I'm just saying that sampling your life at randomYour life is not sampled at random, you have to be one year oldbefore being 75; before being 1000 before being 10¹⁰.I'm less likely to find youYou find you every day, according to you, every day should nothappen, only being10¹⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰is likely, it's just non-sense, your life is not random sampled,yesterday happen before today and before tomorrow. That doesn't maketoday less likely than tomorrow.being less than a year old than being less than a thousand years old.If my life is infinite, then it seems surprising that I find myselfless than 75yrs old.It's not, because it is mandatory that in that long lifespan youfind yourself 75. You cannot be very old before having been lessold. Your life is sequential and that sequence cannot be avoided,even if you'll live an infinity of time.I don't think this is a very strong argument, since it would applyno matter what age I found myself to be.Exactly, it's just ASSA is non-sensical.But it seems curious that I find it to be true of everyone around mealso. As though we all started more or less together. So weweren't past eternal either.I don't see how QI imples past eternality, it's not mandatory thatinfinity goes both way, things can have a start without an end.

`I will try to add a subtle point here, in some answer to Brent's`

`question. You are correct here, because immortality and the existence`

`of the consistent continuations are relative to your actual state of`

`beliefs, and this one can be captured by a finite computational`

`state), but the measure on those consistent computational extensions`

`is defined by your bodies and evironments, which are defined by the`

`set of all computations going through that state, and this implies an`

`infinity, including an infinity of "pasts" (which might due to the`

`same, or close, universal machines, recurring in the UD* (or`

`arithmetic)(*).`

That's why comp immortality implies infinity goes both way.

`Put in another way: we have an infinite future above the substitution`

`level (comp-immortality)`

We have an infinite past below the substitution level.

`Here "we" is somewhat undefined, and this points on the difficulty of`

`the question.`

`I would not like to insist on this too much, as long as much more`

`simpler point are not yet well understood.`

More on this will appear probably in further comments.

`(*) Comp implies that IF the big bang theory is correct (that is the`

`big bang is the origin of the physical universe we are observing,`

`then, the big bang must have a non observable *physical* origin (like`

`the collision of branes in some string theory for example).`

`In fact it is simple to sum up: comp implies infinities in all`

`directions and scales. This is due to the fact that the 1p results`

`from the competition between *all* universal (and non universal)`

`machines.`

Bruno

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