1) Atheists say: Prove to me your existence and I will trust you.
God says: Trust me and I will prove to you my existence. Agnostic says: Trust me, neither of you can prove or show the other anything at this point :-) 2) What did the Buddhist say to the atheist pizza chef? "Make me one with everything!" And the atheist pizza chef did. PGC On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]>wrote: > Just for the record, I do not personify God. It would be simply > speculative and unfair of us to imagine any form of God. > All I know is how He briefly introduces Himself as the 'noor' or > 'spiritual light' of the heavens and earth. (Quran 24:35) > > Samiya > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 29-Nov-2013, at 3:12 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> > >> Yes, I know we cannot answer that, but that is due to our lack of >> knowledge and comprehension of God, and not because God is useless >> > > It is. > > >> or does not exist. >> > > The god you talk about (the christian's one) with the long beard, > certainly does not exist. > > > >> God's presence is perceivable through His creation! >> > > Nope... > > >> Denying God won't change anything, >> > > Same thing doing the opposite. > > >> but we may miss out on something critically important, to our own >> detriment and loss. >> > > In french I would say... nawak ! > > Quentin > > >> >> Samiya >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >>> >>>> Simple? It takes intelligence and knowledge to write computer program, >>>> build a machine, and so on. How can we conclude that the software of life, >>>> the creation of the Universe / multiverse, all just happened on its own, >>>> and for no purpose? >>>> >>>> >>> Ask the same thing about god, and you have still an unsolved problem and >>> you have explained nothing at all. god is useless as an hypothesis about >>> the world. >>> >>> Quentin >>> >>> >>>> Consider the following: >>>> >>>> “Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the >>>> alternation of Night and Day – there are indeed Signs for men of >>>> understanding .” (Qur’an 3:190) >>>> >>>> It is He Who has created hearing, sight and minds for you. What little >>>> thanks you show! (Qur'an 23:78) >>>> >>>> We shall show them Our signs in the Universe and within themselves, >>>> until it becomes clear to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough >>>> that your Lord is the witness of all things? [Quran 41:53] >>>> >>>> We created human from a mingled drop to test him, and We made him >>>> hearing and seeing. (Qur'an 76:2) >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Samiya >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> How is it 'easiest to dismiss'? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Because it is an assumption you add... so keep it simple is easier, so >>>>> as it adds nothing, and explain nothing about "how can something exists on >>>>> its own"... well it's easy to dismiss. >>>>> >>>>> Quentin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Samiya >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On 29-Nov-2013, at 12:32 PM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/11/29 Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I understand that so many deities and faith-systems and all the >>>>>>> myths and fantasies in them easily put off any thinking mind. Yet, the >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> we discover, the closer we get to theorizing about everything, the more >>>>>>> difficult it is to believe that everything just happens on its own. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> And how is it easier for a god to happen on its own.... it is as >>>>>> absurd, between the two, god hypothesis is just a gap of explanation and >>>>>> the easiest to dismiss. >>>>>> >>>>>> Quentin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> We may not be able to describe or imagine God, but it is also not >>>>>>> possible to honestly dismiss a existence of a Deity! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:26 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But if *everything's *holy... well, you know the rest. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 29 November 2013 14:02, Platonist Guitar Cowboy < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't think size/length of the list matters much, lol! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Crazy Ginsberg's list was shorter and he and his publishers >>>>>>>>> apparently see reason for them to exist: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Footnote to Howl* >>>>>>>>> *By Allen Ginsberg >>>>>>>>> <http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/allen-ginsberg> * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! >>>>>>>>> Holy! Holy! Holy! Holy! >>>>>>>>> The world is holy! The soul is holy! The skin is holy! The nose >>>>>>>>> is holy! The tongue and cock and hand and asshole holy! >>>>>>>>> Everything is holy! everybody’s holy! everywhere is holy! >>>>>>>>> everyday is in eternity! Everyman’s an angel! >>>>>>>>> The bum’s as holy as the seraphim! the madman is holy as you my >>>>>>>>> soul are holy! >>>>>>>>> The typewriter is holy the poem is holy the voice is holy the >>>>>>>>> hearers are holy the ecstasy is holy! >>>>>>>>> Holy Peter holy Allen holy Solomon holy Lucien holy Kerouac holy >>>>>>>>> Huncke holy Burroughs holy Cassady holy the unknown buggered and >>>>>>>>> suffering >>>>>>>>> beggars holy the hideous human angels! >>>>>>>>> Holy my mother in the insane asylum! Holy the cocks of the >>>>>>>>> grandfathers of Kansas! >>>>>>>>> Holy the groaning saxophone! Holy the bop apocalypse! Holy the >>>>>>>>> jazzbands marijuana hipsters peace peyote pipes & drums! >>>>>>>>> Holy the solitudes of skyscrapers and pavements! Holy the >>>>>>>>> cafeterias filled with the millions! Holy the mysterious rivers of >>>>>>>>> tears >>>>>>>>> under the streets! >>>>>>>>> Holy the lone juggernaut! Holy the vast lamb of the middleclass! >>>>>>>>> Holy the crazy shepherds of rebellion! Who digs Los Angeles IS Los >>>>>>>>> Angeles! >>>>>>>>> Holy New York Holy San Francisco Holy Peoria & Seattle Holy Paris >>>>>>>>> Holy Tangiers Holy Moscow Holy Istanbul! >>>>>>>>> Holy time in eternity holy eternity in time holy the clocks in >>>>>>>>> space holy the fourth dimension holy the fifth International holy the >>>>>>>>> Angel >>>>>>>>> in Moloch! >>>>>>>>> Holy the sea holy the desert holy the railroad holy the >>>>>>>>> locomotive holy the visions holy the hallucinations holy the miracles >>>>>>>>> holy >>>>>>>>> the eyeball holy the abyss! >>>>>>>>> Holy forgiveness! mercy! charity! faith! Holy! Ours! bodies! >>>>>>>>> suffering! magnanimity! >>>>>>>>> Holy the supernatural extra brilliant intelligent kindness of the >>>>>>>>> soul! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Berkeley 1955* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I believe both Brent and Allen. And the Sun... Dunno much about >>>>>>>>> their existence though. PGC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 1:03 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 29 November 2013 09:19, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I can conceive of (with apologies to H. L. Mencken), Agdistis or >>>>>>>>>>> Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, >>>>>>>>>>> Anansi, >>>>>>>>>>> Anat, Andvari, Anshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, Artemis, >>>>>>>>>>> Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athtart, Atlas, Baal, Ba Xian, Bacchus, >>>>>>>>>>> Balder, >>>>>>>>>>> Bast, Bellona, Bergelmir, Bes, Bixia Yuanjin, Bragi, Brahma, Brent, >>>>>>>>>>> Brigit, >>>>>>>>>>> Camaxtli, Ceres, Ceridwen, Cernunnos, Chac, Chalchiuhtlicue, Charun, >>>>>>>>>>> Chemosh, Cheng-huang, Clapton, Cybele, Dagon, Damkina (Dumkina), >>>>>>>>>>> Davlin, >>>>>>>>>>> Dawn, Demeter, Diana, Di Cang, Dionysus, Ea, El, Enki, Enlil, Eos, >>>>>>>>>>> Epona, >>>>>>>>>>> Ereskigal, Farbauti, Fenrir, Forseti, Fortuna, Freya, Freyr, Frigg, >>>>>>>>>>> Gaia, >>>>>>>>>>> Ganesha, Ganga, Garuda, Gauri, Geb, Geong Si, Guanyin, Hades, >>>>>>>>>>> Hanuman, >>>>>>>>>>> Hathor, Hecate (Hekate), Helios, Heng-o (Chang-o), Hephaestus, Hera, >>>>>>>>>>> Hermes, Hestia, Hod, Hoderi, Hoori, Horus, Hotei, Huitzilopochtli, >>>>>>>>>>> Hsi-Wang-Mu, Hygeia, Inanna, Inti, Iris, Ishtar, Isis, Ixtab, >>>>>>>>>>> Izanaki, >>>>>>>>>>> Izanami, Jesus, Juno, Jehovah, Jupiter, Juturna, Kagutsuchi, >>>>>>>>>>> Kartikeya, >>>>>>>>>>> Khepri, Ki, Kingu, Kinich Ahau, Kishar, Krishna, Kuan-yin, Kukulcan, >>>>>>>>>>> Kvasir, Lakshmi, Leto, Liza, Loki, Lugh, Luna, Magna Mater, Maia, >>>>>>>>>>> Marduk, >>>>>>>>>>> Mars, Mazu, Medb, Mercury, Mimir, Min, Minerva, Mithras, Morrigan, >>>>>>>>>>> Mot, >>>>>>>>>>> Mummu, Muses, Nammu, Nanna, Nanna (Norse), Nanse, Neith, Nemesis, >>>>>>>>>>> Nephthys, >>>>>>>>>>> Neptune, Nergal, Ninazu, Ninhurzag, Nintu, Ninurta, Njord, Nugua, >>>>>>>>>>> Nut, >>>>>>>>>>> Odin, Ohkuninushi, Ohyamatsumi, Orgelmir, Osiris, Ostara, Pan, >>>>>>>>>>> Parvati, >>>>>>>>>>> Phaethon, Phoebe, Phoebus Apollo, Pilumnus, Poseidon, Quetzalcoatl, >>>>>>>>>>> Rama, >>>>>>>>>>> Re, RheaSabazius, Sarasvati, Selene, Shiva, Seshat, Seti (Set), >>>>>>>>>>> Shamash, >>>>>>>>>>> Shapsu, Shen Yi, Shiva, Shu, Si-Wang-Mu, Sin, Sirona, Sol, Surya, >>>>>>>>>>> Susanoh, >>>>>>>>>>> Tawaret, Tefnut, Tezcatlipoca, Thanatos, Thor, Thoth, Tiamat, >>>>>>>>>>> Tianhou, >>>>>>>>>>> Tlaloc, Tonatiuh, Toyo-Uke-Bime, Tyche, Tyr, Utu, Uzume, Vediovis, >>>>>>>>>>> Venus, >>>>>>>>>>> Vesta, Vishnu, Volturnus, Vulcan, Xipe, Xi Wang-mu, Xochipilli, >>>>>>>>>>> Xochiquetzal, Yam, Yarikh, YHWH, Ymir, Yu-huang, Yum Kimil and >>>>>>>>>>> Zeus. But I >>>>>>>>>>> see no reason to believe any of them exist. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey, what's that about Amaterasu? 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