On 03 Dec 2013, at 22:45, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:

You can believe in God in the same sense that we can believe in super intelligent extraterrestrials. A.C. Clarke, and Skeptic magazine editor, Michael Shermer, both, have mentioned this in comparison. Until someone or something shows up in a acknowledgeable was as, both highly, intelligent and extraordinary, shows up, around our home planet, we are dealing with ideas, histories, and creative writing, which is not a terrible thing to do.


In which theory?
When we talk on Matter or primitively material universe, we deal also with ideas, beliefs, assumptions or myth (even dogma, for many, or even unconscious dogma, for those who sleep in this subject).

God is not an alien, although our comp-finiteness could make us confuse a God with some possible alien. In fact if we give a name to a God, we make it into a sort of alien, hiding some possible God.

Bruno



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From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
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Subject: Re: Atheism is wish fulfillment


On 03 Dec 2013, at 08:13, meekerdb wrote:

> On 12/2/2013 11:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>>> just so they and their close friends can say, "We believe in God
>>> rationally
>>
>>
>> Come on. No serious theologian would say that. they know you need
>> grace, luck, or a bit of salvia divinorum, which seems to cure
>> atheism according to some reports.
>
> So are these people not serious theologians: William Lane Craig,
> Alister McGrath, Alvin Plantinga, Rowan Williams.
>
> Who counts as a "serious theologian"?  Is it only those that agree
> with you?


No, they are those who are able to put an interrogation mark behind
their public assertions, and are open to revise their statement in a
debate.

Bruno

PS I have to go and will comment later other posts (busy day). Thanks
for the patience. I like very much that thread, which is in between
purely vocabulary discussion and perhaps an important idea on
"reality" ....



>
> Brent
>
>>
>> We can't believe in God rationally, nor can we believe in the moon
>> rationally, but we can study the consequences of our theories.
>> And when we become rational, as you know, we are lead from
>> questions to questions.
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