On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Measure is relative, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb >>>>>>>> continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still >>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>> conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your head and >>>>>>>> pull >>>>>>>> the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure continues to >>>>>>>> fall, it >>>>>>>> is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this point, your Drelb-based >>>>>>>> extensions may become relatively higher than your Earth-based >>>>>>>> extensions, >>>>>>>> and therefore you would be likely to experience a transition to those >>>>>>>> realms of higher measure. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it doesn't drop while you approach death. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In measure theory ( >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics) ) just because >>>>>> there are an infinite number does not mean they are equal. Your measure >>>>>> each time you pull the trigger in the quantum gun is (approximately) >>>>>> halved. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, that is ASSA... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> especially in those instances where you survive dangerous >>>>>>>> situations (such as falling from a height, or significantly aging). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your relative measure doesn't drop, >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Relative to what? Does not one's measure of being alive drop in half >>>>>> with each trigger pull, (relative to your measure of being alive before >>>>>> the >>>>>> trigger pull)? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> but the outcome to explain you're still alive can become more >>>>>>> strange... and drelb based extensions should not become much higher, >>>>>>> simple >>>>>>> physics should still have higher measure to explain your unlikely >>>>>>> survival. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You are saying we cannot reduce one's measure for surviving in the >>>>>> physical universe to arbitrarily low levels? What would you say your >>>>>> relative measure of being alive in the physical world be after an atomic >>>>>> bomb went off 10 feet from you (relative to before it went off)? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Probabilities add up to one... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which probabilities are you referring to here? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The probabilities applies only on your continuation, the >>>>>>> partitioning of the infinity of continuations where you're alive are the >>>>>>> probabilities to find yourself in such continuation or such other, those >>>>>>> adds up to one... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Think of it like this: There are 10,000 explanations for your current >>>>>> experience. 9,950 are various physical and biological instances of you >>>>>> living on Earth, 30 instances are various ancestor simulations run by >>>>>> future humans, 15 are by advanced aliens in other universes, and 5 are by >>>>>> Drelb-like entities. If you shoot yourself in the head with a quantum >>>>>> gun, >>>>>> 4,975 of the 9,950 biological instances are dead, and 25 of the 50 >>>>>> simulated ones awaken from the simulation. You pull the trigger again, >>>>>> and >>>>>> 2488 of the 4975 biological survivors from the first trigger pull are >>>>>> dead, >>>>>> and 13 of the 25 simulated survivors wake up from their simulation. Note >>>>>> that with each trigger pull, the proportion who are still alive (either >>>>>> in >>>>>> the simulation or having awoken from it) remains the same: at 50, while >>>>>> the >>>>>> population of physical/biological entities is cut in half each time. >>>>>> After >>>>>> another 12 or so trigger pulls the only remaining survivors will be those >>>>>> that were simulated, and all of them now find themselves in a different >>>>>> realm. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> If what I said above is the ASSA, then what does the RSSA say >>>> concerning the above analysis? >>>> >>> >>> That is invalid, because there are never a finite number of next >>> continuations. >>> >>> >> Everett said there is a non-denumerable number of copies, can you not >> apply relative measure to these? >> > > You can... why coudn't you...? What I said, is that Dreb world will always > be less likely than simple physical explanation for your current moment... > > It should be , or we all should have met Dreb by now. > > So if you were to spend a day in the box with Schrodinger's cat (each hour having a 50% chance of poisoning you), what would you predict experience to be at the end of that day? What would you predict if you knew thought that 1% of your explanations are Drelb-like entities which want to provide you an afterlife after simulating your demise? Jason > Quentin > > > >> If not, it seems impossible to make predictions such as "there is a 10% >> chance you will observe the photon to land in this spot", but we can. >> >> Jason >> >> >> >>> Quentin >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> the partitioning of Drelb world should always be low measure... >>>>>>> even near death. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> This would require that the simulation hypothesis has an extremely >>>>>> low (relative) probability. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jason >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Quentin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And by no cul de dac you should not count where you 're dead. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subjectively you cannot die. And in an infinitely large and varied >>>>>>>> universe, many strange things may happen. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 5 déc. 2013 03:44, "Jason Resch" <[email protected]> a >>>>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2013/12/4 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM, meekerdb >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/4/2013 10:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Theory? I am betting neither Clarke the writer, nor Shermer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Atheist, has put a lot of intellectual efforts in their >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspectives/statements. Clarke was aiming at human perspective. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shermer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was trying to shoot down the attitudes of the religious, by >>>>>>>>>>>>>> re-phrasing Clarke's Law. Could God be Drelb, the famous >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hyper-intelligence >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Sombrero Galaxy. If this is so, what can we do about it? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If Drelb is hyper-intelligent, it can simulate all of Earth >>>>>>>>>>>>> and learn everything about us and everything we do. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That seems inconsistent with the idea that "we" are infinitely >>>>>>>>>>>>> many threads of computation in multiverses. FPI would make us >>>>>>>>>>>>> random to >>>>>>>>>>>>> Drelb too. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are also infinite numbers of Drelb though too. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Drelb, by constructing a "physical replica" of Earth, is in a >>>>>>>>>>>> sense is running a quantum emulation of all possibilities of >>>>>>>>>>>> Earth, and >>>>>>>>>>>> Drelb, by observing it, is split into as many copies as there are >>>>>>>>>>>> possibilities for the simulation to diverge. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Such should have a very low measure facing the UD or comp is >>>>>>>>>>> false... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As you approach death and your measure drops, strange things may >>>>>>>>>> result. Remember there are an infinite number of such Drelb-like >>>>>>>>>> entities, >>>>>>>>>> none can change mathematical truth so none can affect whether or not >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> existence, but they can provide continuation paths for you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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