On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux <[email protected] >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Measure is relative, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb >>>>>>>>>> continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still >>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>> conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your head and >>>>>>>>>> pull >>>>>>>>>> the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure continues to >>>>>>>>>> fall, it >>>>>>>>>> is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this point, your Drelb-based >>>>>>>>>> extensions may become relatively higher than your Earth-based >>>>>>>>>> extensions, >>>>>>>>>> and therefore you would be likely to experience a transition to those >>>>>>>>>> realms of higher measure. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't drop while you approach death. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In measure theory ( >>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics) ) just because >>>>>>>> there are an infinite number does not mean they are equal. Your measure >>>>>>>> each time you pull the trigger in the quantum gun is (approximately) >>>>>>>> halved. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, that is ASSA... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> especially in those instances where you survive dangerous >>>>>>>>>> situations (such as falling from a height, or significantly aging). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your relative measure doesn't drop, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Relative to what? Does not one's measure of being alive drop in >>>>>>>> half with each trigger pull, (relative to your measure of being alive >>>>>>>> before the trigger pull)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> but the outcome to explain you're still alive can become more >>>>>>>>> strange... and drelb based extensions should not become much higher, >>>>>>>>> simple >>>>>>>>> physics should still have higher measure to explain your unlikely >>>>>>>>> survival. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are saying we cannot reduce one's measure for surviving in the >>>>>>>> physical universe to arbitrarily low levels? What would you say your >>>>>>>> relative measure of being alive in the physical world be after an >>>>>>>> atomic >>>>>>>> bomb went off 10 feet from you (relative to before it went off)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Probabilities add up to one... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which probabilities are you referring to here? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The probabilities applies only on your continuation, the >>>>>>>>> partitioning of the infinity of continuations where you're alive are >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> probabilities to find yourself in such continuation or such other, >>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>> adds up to one... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Think of it like this: There are 10,000 explanations for your >>>>>>>> current experience. 9,950 are various physical and biological >>>>>>>> instances of >>>>>>>> you living on Earth, 30 instances are various ancestor simulations run >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> future humans, 15 are by advanced aliens in other universes, and 5 are >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> Drelb-like entities. If you shoot yourself in the head with a quantum >>>>>>>> gun, >>>>>>>> 4,975 of the 9,950 biological instances are dead, and 25 of the 50 >>>>>>>> simulated ones awaken from the simulation. You pull the trigger again, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> 2488 of the 4975 biological survivors from the first trigger pull are >>>>>>>> dead, >>>>>>>> and 13 of the 25 simulated survivors wake up from their simulation. >>>>>>>> Note >>>>>>>> that with each trigger pull, the proportion who are still alive >>>>>>>> (either in >>>>>>>> the simulation or having awoken from it) remains the same: at 50, >>>>>>>> while the >>>>>>>> population of physical/biological entities is cut in half each time. >>>>>>>> After >>>>>>>> another 12 or so trigger pulls the only remaining survivors will be >>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>> that were simulated, and all of them now find themselves in a different >>>>>>>> realm. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If what I said above is the ASSA, then what does the RSSA say >>>>>> concerning the above analysis? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That is invalid, because there are never a finite number of next >>>>> continuations. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Everett said there is a non-denumerable number of copies, can you not >>>> apply relative measure to these? >>>> >>> >>> You can... why coudn't you...? What I said, is that Dreb world will >>> always be less likely than simple physical explanation for your current >>> moment... >>> >>> It should be , or we all should have met Dreb by now. >>> >>> >> So if you were to spend a day in the box with Schrodinger's cat (each >> hour having a 50% chance of poisoning you), what would you predict >> experience to be at the end of that day? >> > > If the poison was 100% sure to kill you instantly... I predict (if comp or > MWI is true) to be alive and safe. > > > >> >> What would you predict if you knew thought that 1% of your explanations >> are Drelb-like entities which want to provide you an afterlife after >> simulating your demise? >> > > That I have 99% chance of being in a non Dreb like world. > > After each hour or at the end of the day? If each hour you have a 1% chance of going to a Drelb world, then at the end of the day would it be ~24%? Start: 99% physical + 1% Drelb simulations After first hour: Objective measure for all states is: (49.5% physical surviving + 49.5% physical dying + 0.5% Drelb surviving to maintain illusion in physical world + 0.5% Drelb giving you an afterlife continuation.) We can ignore the cases where you die as contributing anything toward your expectation, so we have: 49.5% physically surviving physically, 0.5% surviving in the maintained illusion, and 0.5% surviving in Drelb's after life, we renomalize all of these to 100%, to get expected subjective continuations, and see: 98.01% (surviving physical universe + 0.99% surviving Drelb simulation of universe) and 0.99% surviving in afterlife. It seems after each iteration, there is a 1% chance of ending up there. If you repeated this 1,000 times what is the probability you subjectively never end up reach the Drelb afterlife state? Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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