On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:

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> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
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>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
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>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
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>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Quentin Anciaux 
>>>>>> <allco...@gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
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>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> 2013/12/5 Jason Resch <jasonre...@gmail.com>
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>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Quentin Anciaux <
>>>>>>>>>> allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> Measure is relative,
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>>>>>>>>>> Yes, so your current measure of next finding yourself in a Drelb
>>>>>>>>>> continuation, is relatively low compared to the measure of you still 
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> conscious on Earth. But if you point a quantum gun at your head and 
>>>>>>>>>> pull
>>>>>>>>>> the trigger 30 times, your Earth-continuation measure continues to 
>>>>>>>>>> fall, it
>>>>>>>>>> is reduced by a factor of a billion. At this point, your Drelb-based
>>>>>>>>>> extensions may become relatively higher than your Earth-based 
>>>>>>>>>> extensions,
>>>>>>>>>> and therefore you would be likely to experience a transition to those
>>>>>>>>>> realms of higher measure.
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>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't drop while you approach death.
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>>>>>>>>>> Your measure drops whenever you make yourself more unique,
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>>>>>>>>> You doesn't, you always have an infinity of continuations.
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>>>>>>>> In measure theory (
>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measure_(mathematics) ) just because
>>>>>>>> there are an infinite number does not mean they are equal. Your measure
>>>>>>>> each time you pull the trigger in the quantum gun is (approximately) 
>>>>>>>> halved.
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, that is ASSA...
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>>>>>>>>>>  especially in those instances where you survive dangerous
>>>>>>>>>> situations (such as falling from a height, or significantly aging).
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Your relative measure doesn't drop,
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Relative to what?  Does not one's measure of being alive drop in
>>>>>>>> half with each trigger pull, (relative to your measure of being alive
>>>>>>>> before the trigger pull)?
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but the outcome to explain you're still alive can become more
>>>>>>>>> strange... and drelb based extensions should not become much higher, 
>>>>>>>>> simple
>>>>>>>>> physics should still have higher measure to explain your unlikely 
>>>>>>>>> survival.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are saying we cannot reduce one's measure for surviving in the
>>>>>>>> physical universe to arbitrarily low levels?  What would you say your
>>>>>>>> relative measure of being alive in the physical world be after an 
>>>>>>>> atomic
>>>>>>>> bomb went off 10 feet from you (relative to before it went off)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> Probabilities add up to one...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which probabilities are you referring to here?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The probabilities applies only on your continuation, the
>>>>>>>>> partitioning of the infinity of continuations where you're alive are 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> probabilities to find yourself in such continuation or such other, 
>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> adds up to one...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think of it like this: There are 10,000 explanations for your
>>>>>>>> current experience. 9,950 are various physical and biological 
>>>>>>>> instances of
>>>>>>>> you living on Earth, 30 instances are various ancestor simulations run 
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> future humans, 15 are by advanced aliens in other universes, and 5 are 
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> Drelb-like entities. If you shoot yourself in the head with a quantum 
>>>>>>>> gun,
>>>>>>>> 4,975 of the 9,950 biological instances are dead, and 25 of the 50
>>>>>>>> simulated ones awaken from the simulation. You pull the trigger again, 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> 2488 of the 4975 biological survivors from the first trigger pull are 
>>>>>>>> dead,
>>>>>>>> and 13 of the 25 simulated survivors wake up from their simulation. 
>>>>>>>> Note
>>>>>>>> that with each trigger pull, the proportion who are still alive 
>>>>>>>> (either in
>>>>>>>> the simulation or having awoken from it) remains the same: at 50, 
>>>>>>>> while the
>>>>>>>> population of physical/biological entities is cut in half each time.  
>>>>>>>> After
>>>>>>>> another 12 or so trigger pulls the only remaining survivors will be 
>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> that were simulated, and all of them now find themselves in a different
>>>>>>>> realm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> If what I said above is the ASSA, then what does the RSSA say
>>>>>> concerning the above analysis?
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>>>>> That is invalid, because there are never a finite number of next
>>>>> continuations.
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>>>>>
>>>> Everett said there is a non-denumerable number of copies, can you not
>>>> apply relative measure to these?
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>>> You can... why coudn't you...? What I said, is that Dreb world will
>>> always be less likely than simple physical explanation for your current
>>> moment...
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>>> It should be , or we all should have met Dreb by now.
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>> So if you were to spend a day in the box with Schrodinger's cat (each
>> hour having a 50% chance of poisoning you), what would you predict
>> experience to be at the end of that day?
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> If the poison was 100% sure to kill you instantly... I predict (if comp or
> MWI is true) to be alive and safe.
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>> What would you predict if you knew thought that 1% of your explanations
>> are Drelb-like entities which want to provide you an afterlife after
>> simulating your demise?
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> That I have 99% chance of being in a non Dreb like world.
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After each hour or at the end of the day?  If each hour you have a 1%
chance of going to a Drelb world, then at the end of the day would it be
~24%?


Start: 99% physical + 1% Drelb simulations
After first hour: Objective measure for all states is:
(49.5% physical surviving + 49.5% physical dying + 0.5% Drelb surviving to
maintain illusion in physical world + 0.5% Drelb giving you an afterlife
continuation.) We can ignore the cases where you die as contributing
anything toward your expectation, so we have:
49.5% physically surviving physically, 0.5% surviving in the maintained
illusion, and 0.5% surviving in Drelb's after life, we renomalize all of
these to 100%, to get expected subjective continuations, and see:
 98.01% (surviving physical universe + 0.99% surviving Drelb simulation of
universe) and  0.99% surviving in afterlife.

It seems after each iteration, there is a 1% chance of ending up there. If
you repeated this 1,000 times what is the probability you subjectively
never end up reach the Drelb afterlife state?

Jason

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