On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

> On 05 Dec 2013, at 17:20, Jason Resch wrote:
> So if you were to spend a day in the box with Schrodinger's cat (each hour
> having a 50% chance of poisoning you), what would you predict experience to
> be at the end of that day?
> I like to answer this by this: At the end of the day I feel well and kiss
> the cat, together with a total amnesia of having gazed, which begin by a
> nausea, vomiting, cruel pain and agonizing death. I would put quantum
> flowers on 'his' quantum tomb to have died for me. Respect for the little
> kitty too.

Would you say there is a greater probability of ending up in a strange and
different place on this day, compared to normal days when you don't face a
999,999 out of 1,000,000 chance of being killed?

> Are you OK for this?  I pay you 10,000$ for accepting to sleep one night
> in my sleep laboratory, I tell you in advance that you will live a quite
> intense nightmare, but I promise you that you will be 100% amnesic of it
> and you will unaffected by the experience, are you OK?

$10,000 is a lot of money, it's hard to think of a nightmare so bad (even
without the amnesia) that would not make it worth taking the money. In the
equivalent example of torture + amnesia, under which I would be willing to
pay $10,000 to avoid to avoid the torture (with or without amnesia), then I
think the logical decision is still to reject the torture and $10,000 even
if it comes with amnesia.

> The slowing of the annihilation illustrates something weird. Before the
> experience the probability are one halve that you will  feel either just
> passing a boring day with a cat in some chamber, or going through a slow
> unpleasant (ending?) event.
> Yet the probability that you survive, above one day, the experience seems
> to be  still one.  It is part of a finite path elimination process, from
> the 1p perspective. It is analogous to the backtracking.
> I am not sure it is correct as I cannot be sure the agonizing near death
> experience terminates, and for who? Nothing is simple here.


> I accept *total* annihilation experience only in thought experience!  In
> practice it might not exist. We don't know (and can't know) our
> substitution level, and it depends on what you are willing to abandon, or
> to what you identify with is.
> 1-annihilation experiences are near death experiences. Is it clear that
> they have endings in the arithmetical reality? Who knows?
> The same can be asked for some type of dreams, and altered states of
> consciousness.

The way I have for a time looked at is, is there are X instances that
explain your current experience.  Some may be "ordinary" while others might
be, say a "dream". If in your experience, you encounter something you are
unlikely to survive ordinarily, like a Mushroom cloud on the horizon, then
you will likely next find yourself waking from a dream. (Since all the
non-dreaming ordinary explanations are dead).  Is there something wrong
with this reasoning?

> In my opinion, understanding a theorem in arithmetic already provides a
> glimpse on a deep and atemporal experience, connected to the first person
> in virtue of an argument.
I will need to think more on this.  Thanks.


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