Hi Telmo..

Yes.
The question of why spain/portugal lost the first world war against UK is
very interesting, and I have my own conclussions that are deeply linked to
other events, such is the location of the civilizations: why they appear at
the border of land and sea, specially when this border is undefined with
too much flat lands, lakes, bays, islands rivers and interior seas?


2013/12/15 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>

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>
>
> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I used to say that historically, the increase of individual freedom for
>> good and for evil came with the availability of more liquid  goods that
>> were increasingly difficult to fall under the control of others, including
>> governments: from land ownership to urban mobile assets, to money to non
>> physical assets such are practical knowledge in a specialized economy and
>> electronic goods.
>>
>
> I have little doubt about it. One case I'm interested in, because I'm
> Portuguese (and you might be too, you're Spanish, right?) is the reason for
> the success of the British Empire even though Portugal and Spain where the
> pioneers in exploring the New World and establishing trade routes. I
> believe they prevailed because the British crown acted as a venture
> capitalist for businesses interested in exploring the new opportunities,
> while the Portuguese and Spanish crowns remained addicted to central
> control. This might be the ultimate reason why we're having this
> conversation in English now.
>
>
>>
>>
>> The Jew people know about it.  They say that the only two things that you
>> can carry with you trough the back door when the mob are in the front door
>> are knowledge and gold (and probably artistics habilities).
>>
>
> Even without the gold part, people underestimate the importance of
> knowledge. I am convinced that if you took all of the money in the world
> and divided it evenly between everyone, a good part of the people that are
> rich today would quickly become rich again. Not because they are superior
> in any genetic sense, but because they already know what to do and how to
> model reality in an advantageous way. Any serious effort for increased
> equality would consist mostly of spreading knowledge. Or, as H.G.Wells more
> aptly put:
>
> “Civilization is in a race between education and catastrophe. Let us learn
> the truth and spread it as far and wide as our circumstances allow. For the
> truth is the greatest weapon we have.”
> Telmo.
>
>  That shaped entirely the jewish culture and in general the one of nomadic
>> people.  Now we have bitcoins too.
>>
>
>> I think that one of the reasons for bitcoin credibility is that it is as
>> difficult to control as any P2P system with no central server.
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/15 Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com>
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>>> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14 Dec 2013, at 23:42, TH Kaas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's based on just as much as any medium of exchange. It's also quite
>>>> convenient to use, especially for international transfers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right.
>>>>
>>>> A money is anything you trust, and which is hard to copy. Bitcoins
>>>> might have an added value to the fact that we know more and more than the
>>>> traditional banks are not playing the rule, and are hostage of corporatism.
>>>> So, bitcoins are more clean.
>>>> Although we have to be realist: bitcoins will be quickly taking in
>>>> hostage too, as long as corporatism prohibition exists.
>>>>
>>>  The objective value of bitcoins at the beginning was due to the illegal
>>>> selling of drugs which reflects better the need than the legal big pharma
>>>> economics. When bandits/mafia take power, illegal activity can be more
>>>> representative of value than legal one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder. Bitcoins reached $1000. I don't think this valuation would be
>>> possible without some big fish joining the market. I wouldn't be terribly
>>> surprised if even politicians are hedging their bets and buying bitcoins.
>>>
>>> If this gets to a point where we start being able to do business, buy
>>> groceries and so on in bitcoins, then the stormtroopers will show up for
>>> sure. But then it might be too late for them.
>>>
>>> Also, the cryptocurrency cat is out of the bag now. New ones are popping
>>> up, litecoin, altcoin, namecoin, etc. Namecoin is an interesting one,
>>> because it's goal is to generate a fully distributed DNS system. This would
>>> decentralize the easiest attack vector for net censorship.
>>>
>>> Telmo.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bruno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Op zaterdag 14 december 2013 17:40:25 UTC+1 schreef Roger Clough:
>>>>>
>>>>>  The bitcoin is an international speculative cyber-currency
>>>>> (based on nothing) that has been inflating rapidly in price.
>>>>> I would be wary of investing in it because it can drop in value
>>>>> just as fast as it is rising. It's probably a bubble.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVu626uOGE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
>>>>> See my Leibniz site at
>>>>>  http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
>>>>>
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